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Old 04-27-2017, 02:44 PM   #1
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Mapei Flexcolor 3D

At Coverings Orlando 2017 Mapei introduced this new product Flexcolor 3D.
I have done an epoxy glitter before and really like the outcome.
Is this the CQ with "Glitter" or is it a different animal? vegetable?
Since it is so new has anyone tried this out yet and have opinions?

I can see this doing really well with glass.
I am doing a shower and backsplash right now that I could see it adding another dimension to the install.

Literature says it can go up to 1/2" - any shrinkage?

Is it a special order item? All questions I shoulda axed at Coverings but din't....... Oh! n cost?

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Old 04-28-2017, 05:23 AM   #2
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Seminar was on their new membrane. We all got to work with it. Can I just say this could be the end to Ditra? Worked so much easier and laid flatter with no curl. They had a roll of Ditra to compare. Every one in the room was impressed.
3D seminar will be at a later date. They just rolled it out and all marketing materials and chip sets are due in any day now. Got to mess with it at coverings. Works just like CQ. So much easier than urethanes. Tossed my Star and Quartzlock chip kits in the garbage.
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I did put together a blog post on the Flexcolor 3D product that answers some of your questions but I'll take a stab at a reply here too. There are 10 versions of this product. One has no 'sparkles', the others are colors that use the sparkles to develop the color. The one without sparkles is the most translucent, it lets light in and picks up its color from the tile that is around it. If you're grouting a glass backsplash with lots of dark and light transitions, it's a neat product for showing it off with grout that fades into the background but provides some depth. The sparkles are for folks who like more 'bling' and want the grout to be a part of the visual appeal.

From a technical perspective, Flexcolor 3D is an acrylic based system with glass beads to give it the translucent effect. The nice thing about the glass beads is that they are made from old bottles so the product is up to 70% recycled content. The acrylic is easier to clean than an epoxy, and doesn't separate in the bucket (or smell as bad) as a polyurethane. It's also less expensive than both. Just don't use it in a pool or immersed area.

We've had good results from our field trials and have sent some to some John Bridgers who expressed interest at our last contractor council. Hopefully you'll get some independent reports soon. in our testing we've been happy with the 'float' and cleanability but pay attention to the directions. It's not a cement grout, or even an epoxy, you'll need to clean it in a very specific way. There is minimal shrinkage so the 1/2" restriction is legit, if you do get any cracks you can fill them in with more of the same product. As for availability, anyone who sells MAPEI grout can order it in for you, you probably won't find it on the shelf just yet.
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Old 05-02-2017, 03:50 PM   #4
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Thankx Joe for repositioning the pics..

Dan, How about shower floors?
I see intermittant water use areas (shower wall and surrounds + backsplashes) but no shower floors. and of course no pools...
So the grout will change color due to the color of the surrounding tile.. Interesting.
Hopefully one of our Bridgers will report in and give us their evaluation.

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Old 05-03-2017, 04:39 AM   #5
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Is there matching caulk to go along with this new grout. Seeing that most glass is used in backsplashes, lots of dis-similar materials butting the tile and of course the change of plane.
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Old 05-03-2017, 04:37 PM   #6
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Good point Dave.
With this new grout, can it be used at changes in plane?
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No shower floors at this time, we're testing them but don't have results just yet. We're working to develop the coordinating colors of caulk. For now though, we do have a clear, matte version of Mapesil T that coordinates well with most of them. Yes, you should still caulk changes of plane.
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Pro Source says 3 weeks for delivery...
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Sometimes it pays to be a slowpoke/procrastinator

Just about to finish my shower tiles with Flexcolor CQ / Avalanche and wondering if i should use that on the glass mosaic accent too

The grout lines at the top and bottom transitions are going to work out to be more than 1/16" (had to build in a little extra space, just in case this DIY newbie messed up), and I'm not crazy about a sanded look here...

But Crystal Moon seems much cooler! (might make me glad to have bigger lines - "Yeah, i meant to do it that way" )

My tile has a subtle iridescent effect at certain angles (not sure how it translates in these photos)
Any concerns?

Any idea on how much it's going to cost to test it out?

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Old 05-14-2017, 07:11 PM   #10
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Jeff, if you have about 10 sq. ft. or less of the glass, I would try the 3D. Make that glass have an added zing..
Especially if the grout changes color according to tile color.
Now what color? hell if I know, but maybe Mapei has an enterior designer that could make recommendations.. eh?
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yes - mine is just a 4" accent around 30" x 60" surround, plus another 30" vertical leg. I'm sure a .5 Gal is more than enough, if that's what you're saying.

I think Crystal Moon is the clear one and seems the best, and safest choice. Colors are tough, I don't mind experimenting when its $10 for regular grout but i assume this is in the same league, or likely higher, than the Flexcolor CQ.

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Shop around for it Jeff. My Dal store wants an arm m a leg for it but ProSource is more reasonable. Seeing as how Dal has a gazillion price break points....
Don't know if we can talk price over the www but the difference between Dal and ProSource was prox. $30 for a pail - .5 gal.
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Thanks. I'll check my local Dal-Tile. Can't see any problem with mentioning the list price, if anyone knows it...
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Wow - this stuff must be double top-secret!

My local Dal-tile ( where a bought flexcolor CQ) doesn't know anything about it - they're waiting for sales reps to pay a visit.

Anybody know price / availability?
I promise I won't leak it to the russians
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So has anybody seen this yet?
or anyplace online selling it?

(its not fake news, is it ?
I'll be ready to grout in about a week - I'd love to know if I can lock down on the materials...
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