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Old 06-13-2018, 10:30 AM   #31
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Don't know any premixed cement products which do not harden when in contact with water or humidity......... Not a reason to not mix it properly, according with the designed intent.
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Old 06-13-2018, 02:04 PM   #32
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Old 06-13-2018, 05:56 PM   #33
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Biggest thing I didn't like about it was the dust when dumping the bags out. Outside is one thing, inside someone's bathroom is another. Other than that I thought it was awesome. Won't do it, but way to think outside the box.
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Not like dumping it into a bucket. Just slit the side of the bag and it flows onto the slab. Very little dust.......
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Old 06-13-2018, 09:10 PM   #35
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Don't you mean, "Flows out onto the freshly spread thinset mortar"?
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Hopefully Laticrete will chime in with their blessing on this method... or their non approval of it.
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Old 06-14-2018, 07:10 AM   #37
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The one recurring complaint on the method is incomplete water saturation. Granted, that is a risk, but there are risks with the standard wet set method as well, which includes the same improper wetting hazard, improper packing, the wrong sand, the wrong sand:cement ratio, overworking the drypack, taking too long and having the drypack dry out, working along with a box fan and drying out the top......

As long as one follows the old, approved method properly there are no problems. The same holds true for the Houston method.

The manufacturers have zero interest in testing this method as they will sell exactly NO more drypack after spending $250,000 or more on testing because the exact same amount of drypack is used. (less if you account for the lack of waste with the Houston Method) Then they'd have to push it through the NTCA system to get it in the manual. All for no change in profit or sales. I'm not holding my breath waiting nor am I planning on funding the testing.

Everyone has tips and tricks that work for them. We are equally guilty of using some 'unapproved product' for an application in our careers. Using versabond over kerdi for example. I think we'd all agree we wouldn't do anything that would risk an installation. This method was shared to give installers another option, whether they elect to use it or not.
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Old 06-14-2018, 01:27 PM   #39
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Paul, I'm not knocking your system, just asking questions. You show the residue of a lot of water pooling at the drain and eventually soaking in. Where did that water go? Over a slab, I can see that water soaking into the concrete but on a wood sub floor upstairs, what keeps that water from running around the drain and onto the ceiling below?

Would you recommend this system for the top mud bed of a pan liner shower?
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Over cement slabs we install the same as wet drypack (as shown in the last video)

Over plywood we install the same as TCNA guidelines with a cleavage membrane. There is little water getting past the cleavage membrane to worry about. We install the wall foam boards first which go a long way to contain any water. Greenskin wrapped up the sides of the foam panels takes care of any worries when working in high rises, but caulking the bottom of the foam panels to the cleavage membrane will also act as a dam. Being OCD geeks we cut very nice holes through the plywood for our drains leaving little room for dry drypack or water to escape. When in doubt we foam large gaps, esp in high rises.

I haven't done a vinyl liner in decades... I guess you could as any excess water would run down the weep holes, but screeding would be a bit daunting. Keeping the dry drypack out of the drain would be troublesome. This wouldn't be my first choice for a traditional liner. With a kerdi or laticrete drain its very easy.
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Yes, that was my concern with a pan liner install, keeping cement water and dry pack out of the weepholes and drain.
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Paul....Just saw the BIG shower you did using this method. Looks awesome and you might post your link on Facebook to it......
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Old 09-25-2018, 02:59 PM   #43
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Got two "big assed" showers here in SE Texas I'll be doing, using this method. Done'em before, so I ain't scared. As a matter of fact, I'm introducing a great tile setter friend of mine to this technique...as well as a first-time Kerdi build...
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Interesting method for sure. My fear would be that some of that Portland would get washed out of the top layer and into the lower areas of the mud bed. But I suppose if you report that the bed still cures hard on top, then that wouldn't be a problem.
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Old 09-26-2018, 06:18 PM   #45
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Well I decided to try this new shower pan method and it worked pretty damn good. I was really impressed at how hard it was just 20 minutes after applying the water. Very solid!I shared it with one of my friends and he is going to give it a go. Thanks for making the video and sharing new methods.
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