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Unread 08-10-2007, 09:28 PM   #1
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Need help with vanity backsplash

Hello all.

I am going to be having a tile backsplash installed for a bath vanity. When I removed the old tile, quite a bit of the drywall came off with it. I removed the damaged ½ inch drywall and was getting ready to replace it with ½ inch hardi board when I realized that ½ inch hardi really isn’t ½ inch. More like 7/16 at best. Assuming I can’t find an exact thickness of material to shim with, would it be better for the tile installer if the hardi were slightly lower than the surrounding drywall or slightly higher? This may be a dumb question, but I figured it’s better to ask than to do something stupid.

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Ps – the reason I am probably going to pay somebody to install it is we are going to be using tumbled marble. I have heard that dealing with natural stone is a pain in the butt as far as grouting and getting all the grout off. Maybe you guys can talk me into giving it a shot myself. lol
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Unread 08-10-2007, 09:40 PM   #2
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Hi Bill,

Having the Hardi a little on the skinny side will be fine. The setting material will make up that thickness and your tile will overlap onto the existing drywall just fine.

As far as the grouting goes, all you need to do is pre-seal the tile before you grout to keep the grout from sticking to it. It isn't a big deal if you know about it ahead of time, so you really so need to consider doing it yourself. We'll talk you through it and answer any questions you have.

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Unread 08-10-2007, 09:42 PM   #3
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Have any tar paper laying around? fold it over a few times and staple it to the studs. I've never installed tumbled marble before so I wont give you advise on that but I will vote for doing it yourself. Your not allowed to sit back with a beer and admire the finished product unless you did it yourself!
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Unread 08-10-2007, 09:44 PM   #4
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I figured it’s better to ask than to do something stupid.

Bill, you're not really a guy are you? Don't tell me you ask for directions too?

You have a couple options here. You can use the hardi and shim it out. Or why not use the same size drywall? The backsplash is technically not a wet area and drywall could be used. It's done on kitchen backsplashes with tumbled stone all the time.

And you could easily do this yourself. And no doubt others will be chiming in to encourage you.
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Unread 08-10-2007, 09:58 PM   #5
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Marge is right on, Bill. Drywall will be fine, and with a little education you can do the install yourself .
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Unread 08-10-2007, 10:12 PM   #6
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Wow, thanks for the quick responses! I didn’t even think of using something like tar paper. But, if I can’t find any then I won’t be too worried about leaving the hardi a little shy of the drywall.


Marge,

I make the wife ask for directions. Lol

I was actually going to try to replace the drywall with drywall and match to the current “paint”. That way we would have the option of using a 4” granite backsplash or a full tiled backsplash. But the paint we have on the walls has a textured effect and with my limited drywall ability, I doubt I could have created an invisible patch job. So I decided to just go with a full backsplash and replace the drywall I tore out with hardi since I could fit a 3 x 5 sheet of it in the back of my car. Drywall would have been the better choice, but I would have had to cut a sheet down some to get it to fit in the Trans Am. And I didn't realize that the hardi wasn't a full 1/2 inch at the time.
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Unread 08-10-2007, 10:33 PM   #7
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Homers sells little "patch" pieces for a couple bucks a piece. I think they are 2x2. I laughed the first time I saw them cause I thought they were just for people who wanted to practice their mud and tape skills. Until it dawned on me what they were really for!

Since it's going to be covered you dont have to worry about having a seam if you need to use 2 pieces. Don't feel bad about not being able to match the texture. Most people can't!
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Unread 10-02-2007, 09:20 PM   #8
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Need help doing marble backsplash

Hello all.

We are getting ready to do a backsplash for a bath vanity using carrera marble 4 x 4 tiles. I laid the tile for the bath floor and the tub surround, but that was regular ceramic tile. I have never dealt with natural stone. Since this is natural stone, what do I need to do differently?

Is normal thinset ok?
Do I need to use a grout release or anything like that?
Should I seal before or after I grout?

I ordered the tiles and grout today, but idiot me did not specify sanded or non sanded grout. If the grout turns out to be sanded, what is the smallest grout joint I should use? 1/8? I would prefer to have smallish grout lines.

Let me know if I have left out any information that is pertinent to the situation. Any help would be appreciated.

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Unread 10-02-2007, 09:31 PM   #9
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White modified thinset is what you want.

Rather than mess with a grout release product, use the same sealer you were planning after the job was done. Use a quality sealer....not the less potent 1o bucks a quart stuff. Good sealers are 35 - 45 bucks a quart. Seal the tile before grouting, then again after the grout has cured at least 72 hours.

If your tile is polished, you don't want sanded grout scratching the surface.....if so, get some unsanded grout.

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Unread 10-02-2007, 10:25 PM   #10
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Hi Bill, what Bubba said.
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Unread 10-03-2007, 12:02 PM   #11
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The tiles are not polished, so I won't have to worry about scratching them if I do end up with sanded grout.

Couple more questions... since I would be sealing the tile before grouting, will that affect how well the grout will want to stay in the joint?

Also, I have never used sealer for tiles before. Is this something that is brushed on? Sprayed on?

Thanks again.
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Unread 10-03-2007, 07:03 PM   #12
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Just make sure not to get too much sealer in the joint...
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I use a small sponge, and wipe it on, let it sit, wipe again then wait a couple minutes, then wipe off excess(still remaining on tile not soaked in)with a dry towel.
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Unread 10-03-2007, 07:15 PM   #14
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Hi Bill, is this tumbled stone? Rounded corners? If it is, you'll want sanded grout. The joints will be wider at the surface, probably 3/16.

What the others said about the sealer. An enhancer type sealer will enhance the colors, kinda like when the stone is wet. A natural sealer will leave it natural. Be sure and get the right sealer for the look you want.
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Unread 10-04-2007, 02:35 PM   #15
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Premixed thinset for vanity backsplash?

Hi all.

I know for most jobs premixed thinset is usually crap, but is it acceptable to use for a vanity backsplash that should remain relatively dry? The tiles are tumbled 4 x 4 carrera marble.

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