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Unread 04-14-2021, 03:05 PM   #1
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Guest Bath Overhaul

Well, it used to be the kids bath but as they have flown the coop it sounds more aspirational to call it the guest bath.

Behold the grandeur. Behold the exacting level of execution - as evidenced by careful leveling and alignment of the light switches and receptacle. Typical 1980 builder grade bathroom, approximately 7' X 8'2" in size, minus a sizeable chunk of linen closet, which creates the alcove for the tub. Aside from paint there had been zero upgrades to it over its 40 year life.
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Daughter had a Ford Tempo the color of that wall tile. I called it the "Flesh Tempo". Even put a sticker on the dash, which was under appreciated, I imagine.

I say paint it orange...all of it. Don't remove or mask anything, just start painting. See, it's just like Homer's. "You can do it, we can help".
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My uncle has a bathroom just like that in his new to him house. The same style of tile but it is pink and white. We even took some of the tiles from the master bathroom to make a repair in this guest bath. We did a major renovation on this house before he moved in, including moving walls adding a hall bath 40 feet from the main stack, replaced all the plumbing, added a recirculating hot water line so you had hot water the moment you turned on a faucet and so on. We are talking blank check and I couldn't talk him in to updating this bathroom, but I bet he never even goes in the thing.


I bet there is a mud bed under that tile, are you going to mud it back? I got to sling mud in my uncle's master bath and the cabinet guy was super impressed that he didn't have to use a single shim
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I gotta say it looks extraordinarily clean and functional, but for a room that's 40 years old and for a room that had been used by children - of any age.
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I say paint it orange...all of it.
Original plan was to "paint" it using products sourced only from HD to keep the costs in check compared to the master bath. Everything. But that went out the window in fairly short order when I couldn't even find a decent quality vanity there.

Flesh Tempo. LOL

No mud bed, Shawn. 5/8" ply subfloor, nailed down only. 3/8" ply underlayment - barely nailed down, followed by mastic and the mosaic. The mosaic ran short at the toilet/vanity wall by an inch and instead of setting individual pieces they simply packed the 1" void with grout. Nice touch.

Yeah cx, it could have been worse, and the photos are very kind to it. Given how it was build there was surprisingly almost no water damage.
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Dan,
You should put the terlit in them woods by the road then walk out one morning in your robe and newspaper in hand... neighbors will get a kick
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I was weighing that option carefully, Phil, but the neighbors across the street there had just moved in and I wasn't sure I wanted that particular view of me to be their first introduction.
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As it is with so many home improvement projects one needs to spend an inordinate amount of time just correcting issues before you can start putting it all back together.

The vanity drain was always slow, and I found out why. Some of the copper in the vanity wall was proud of the studs. Fire blocking? Who needs it! HVAC duct too close to the floor, thus requiring baseboard (wood or tile) to be notched to fit. Seemed an easy fix to raise it until I found that an apparently odd ball 3.25"X8" duct was used and was no where to be found. Had to have one custom made. And of course the framing that makes up one end of the alcove and linen closet was not even close to square or plumb. The small piece of drywall for the linen closet ceiling was secured with only a single nail and the walls, which I didn't discover until I started shoveling the insulation off of it - I barely even touched it before it fell.
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But, then, you knew that, right?
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I feel like it's exactly the same as child birth. One forgets how painful it is between projects.
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Has been a ridiculously busy summer, not a lot of progress until just the last few weeks.

Fashioning the short wall for the apron-less plastic tub has been a pain, need solid support for the 5' long front inverted U edge which, of course , isn't dead flat along its length either. First attempt was with carefully selected 2X3's. Built the frame with the 2X3's on the flat and, while pretty straight, they just were not flat enough, just too much flex of the top edge in the center 3', and all along the very bottom edge where the tile will meet.

Ended up using carefully selected 1X4's which got me much closer. To give me clearance for the backer, mortar, and tile and to fully support that rolled front edge I had to rip a spacer of approx 3/4" X 3/4". Was pretty satisfied after the last test fit. Ran beads of clear construction adhesive along the two top edges of the upper 1/4's, and on the front edge of the spacer. Angled it back into position, shimmed it up at the bottom and wedged some scrap 2X and shims in between the side of the tub and the back of the frame. Got it plumbed and then slowly backed away.

Result is many spent hours but a very solid front edge that wouldn't think twice about anyone sitting on.
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Yes, that looks reasonably sound, Dan.
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Looking good, Dan! Sounds like the Kohler unit was also a pain to get the front supports setup. I was hoping it was gonna be better than the American Standard unit I did.
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I dunno, Phil, after reading of your tub install challenges I still think mine was somewhat easier. And it certainly would have been if I simply followed Kohler's "directions". But nooooo, I couldn't do that.
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As mentioned in another member's thread the tub flange of the apron-less Kohler acrylic tub I'm using is nearly 1/2" thick. I'm using Laticrete Hydro Ban foam board for the tub surround, and in order to allow the foam board to hang over the tub flange I ended up furring out all the alcove framing and that of the 8' long end wall.

1 sheet of 1/2" plywood, and a bunch of 1.5" rips on the table saw later, I installed all the furring with construction adhesive and an air nailer.
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