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Unread 06-24-2009, 09:46 AM   #1
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Illegal Panliner Installation?

Just got off the phone w/some guy who I talked to from the Texas Plumbing Licence place in Austin.I was basically making some inquiries about various tasks,responsiblities etc.I was informed that setting a panliner in the state of TX is illegal w/out a license and could face a hefty fine ($5000+).Im curious if all these flooring companies out here who provide panliners for their tile crews know this.I(trust me,there is alot)Its funny because 99% of plumbers whove come before us to set the panliner have done it incorrectly(patches fastened w/roofing nails-never ever a pre-slope,and less than 3'' above curb).What can I say-Im an outlaw!!
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Unread 06-24-2009, 09:51 AM   #2
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Well if thats the case LT, then this world needs more outlaws!
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Unread 06-24-2009, 10:11 AM   #3
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Powerful lobbying behind that law, imho. Who, specifically, enforces? Likely no one.

What about a law regarding incorrectly installed liners? Probably none. Tile industry not as organized or powerful... but heading in that direction?
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Unread 06-24-2009, 11:36 AM   #4
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Ask him for the specific State statute regarding this law...........Betcha he cant come up with it.
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Unread 06-24-2009, 03:40 PM   #5
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I'm sure he will produce a copy of it for you. its probably as simple as saying you need to be a licesend plumber.

its probably because the plumber, like an electrician are licensed and have their work inspected.
which a shower pan in some area's get inspected.

I wounder if it applies to liquid & bonded surface waterproofing??

can you get more info on that and have him/them email you something to post here??
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In Texas counties there are no residential inspections; only in the cities. And in the cities it takes a licensed plumber to call for a shower pan inspection.
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Unread 06-24-2009, 05:33 PM   #7
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So, you're saying that in Texas we are supposed to pull a permit on every shower replacement just so we can hire a plumber to install the pan wrong?

It is okay for the homeowner to install his own pan liner.
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Just think of it as a stimulus to the economy Davy.
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Unread 06-24-2009, 05:51 PM   #9
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Yep, I'm looking at it all wrong.
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I think there is something here in OK that says plumbers have to install the pan liner. And they do in new homes. Attached to the drain when the tile setter gets to the house is a pan liner. It is not attached to the walls or curb. Just attached to the drain and folded up on top of it. We always bring our own throw out the plumber installed one.
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I know of an entire subdivision in Clermont Florida that was built about 15 years ago and when we went in to set tile in the showers, the supers would just tell the installers to remove all the liners because they were not necessary.

We are probably talking 1500 homes here, maybe more!
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Unread 06-24-2009, 06:40 PM   #12
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can you get more info on that and have him/them email you something to psot here??
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Ill try.Dont even know who I spoke to but just got transfered.If you type in TX Plumbers License,youll get the place in Austin and there is a toll free number.One other thing I asked him today was whose responsible for the pre-slope if the plumber puts the pan(Im assuming the plumber).He said not the plumber but rather the GC.Out here in East Tx,it seems like anything goes when it comes to const.Which can have its pros and cons.Illegal panliner installation?What a catch 22!
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Unread 06-24-2009, 09:06 PM   #13
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Yes, this all falls under the plumbing code and if your state requires a plumber with a master's license to somehow be involved on the job (owner of the company, on the permit, etc), then you and I can't legally do any of it.

This is a situation that is universally flaunted and misunderstood by the plumbers, inspectors, GC's and so on. I have never, not one single time, in 19 years of tile work, seen a plumber-installed pan that was done correctly. But that doesn't matter, because the law is the law, and those who are in charge of the law don't know a damn thing about how to install a pan liner correctly.
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I am not sure about other states but as a general contractor in oregon, I am legally able to do my own plumbing and electrical so long as it passes an inspection. doesnt mean I do it though, I have a great plumbing contractor, but I would never let him do one of my pans.
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Unread 06-24-2009, 09:30 PM   #15
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Same laws apply here as Rob describes. The liner and clamping drain are part of the plumbing system and licensed plumbers are required to install. Makes it more than a little tough to compete against other guys who don't play by the rules and can charge less.

But after using countless plumbers, I have a plumber that gets it. He actually has Noble Pro-Slopes (scroll downward towards bottom of page) in stock to use as needed. But lots of people (INCLUDING THE INSPECTOR, can you believe it?) look at him funny when they see it. What a messy system we work in.
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