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Old 08-16-2009, 08:07 PM   #1
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Shower Pan Advice Needed

I'm having a new shower installed and I was questioning the construction methods used on the shower pan. The membrane seems not to go over the curb as I thought it should, and there looks like there are areas where it is cut below the pan surface. Should I be concerned? What do you think?


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Old 08-16-2009, 08:10 PM   #2
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Hi Patrick, welcome to the forum!

I think from the look of your photos the entire floor is done incorrectly. For starters the liner should be BEHIND your wall, not in front of it. Your liner should be at least 3" ABOVE your curb and I would be willing to bet good money there isn't a pre-slope under that liner and it is setting flat on the floor.

Were you around when they were fabricating your shower pan?
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Old 08-16-2009, 08:13 PM   #3
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Yikes.

I can't comment just yet. Gotta stomach ache just looking at that.

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Old 08-16-2009, 08:21 PM   #4
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Hi Patrick. Yeah, I'd be concerned. What is the brown stuff on the shower floor, looks like sand, maybe it's just brown paper?
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Old 08-16-2009, 08:49 PM   #5
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Thanks for the comments so far, you have confirmed some of my concerns. The shower was almost complete with tile before lots of concerns were addressed by my contractor. Here it is when we halted the work and re-evaluated things. So I am now trying to understand aceptable standards for a shower pan, construction methods and materials so I can make sure this doesn't happen on the second try.


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The next photo shows it after the thing was removed. Now we are trying to figure out how things went so wrong. I'm learning a lot very quickly. Thanks again for your evaluations, and the humor as well.


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Check out the "shower construction info" thread in the liberry, you'll learn even more.
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Old 08-16-2009, 08:59 PM   #7
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So you had it torn out already?

The tile install itself looked decent but I don't understand why they didn't stack up that back wall up first. Not a big deal but makes me????

edit: Now I see why. The little recessed box on the plumbing side is too close to the corner.

That shower pan/waterproof thing was a big FAIL and be glad you called them on it because water damage is a major pain.


What's your next plan of attack? DIY or hiring a competent tile person?
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Old 08-16-2009, 09:09 PM   #8
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It's easy to pick it apart now but I was wondering why he didn't start with a joint centered on the back wall instead of a tile. That would have made for nearly full tiles on each side instead of 4 to 5 inch cuts. I agree too that the back wall should be tiled first, it hides the corner joints from your eye. The box wouldn't matter, I would have dealt with it.
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Old 08-16-2009, 10:46 PM   #9
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Thanks so much for your opinions, it really helps me understand. I never thought about the back wall being tiled first to hide those side grout lines but that would make a big difference. I have photos of an earlier attempt on the tile job. I had things changed because they just didn't look right. If you are interested I'll post them. My highest priorities were straight and level grout lines with consistant thinkness, flat or flush tile surface (tile to tile) and straight cuts. The tile is porcelain and apparently hard to cut.
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Old 08-16-2009, 11:10 PM   #10
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Indeed, more pics of the previous attempt!!!

And were you attempting or another sub??

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Old 08-17-2009, 12:29 AM   #11
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I guess the bottom row of tile was just stuck to the liner???
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Old 08-17-2009, 10:45 PM   #12
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I found this forum a few years ago when I was thinking about doing the shower myself, so I knew where to go to get answers to my questions and I thank you all. I hired a contractor to do the project as it expanded beyond just re-doing the shower. I wasing home during the entire time due to work obligations and so each night I'd do a run thru with a camera, and usually on the phone with the contractor rasing my concerns. I spoke to the guys doing the work each day and showed them my concerns as well. I was re-assured things were going well and problems could be worked out. I finally had to stop the project and the contractor had another crew come in to demo the work. Now I'm trying to figure out a way forward to get this completed to my satisfaction. I've attached some photos of some on the concerns. The shower pan issue was raised when I saw the drain cemented in completely.
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Old 08-17-2009, 10:48 PM   #13
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