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Old 02-04-2008, 10:10 AM   #1
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Front loading washing machine vibrations

Hello all,
I have a customer that wants to put ceramic in her two laundry rooms. One on the main floor - one on the second floor. The homeowner is concerned that the tile may vibrate loose over time. When the washing machine is on the "spin" cycle, you can feel the vibration rooms away! You can feel the vibration whether the load of clothes is balanced or not. In fact, the washer spins at a higher speed and thus more vibration transfers into the floor when the load is balanced. Neither washing machine "moves" or "walks" during the spin cycle. The main floor is 3/4" T&G OSB over 2x12's 16"O.C. with no more than a 14' span. The laundry on the main floor is a 12' span. Has anyone run into this situation? The tile she wants is a 20x20 thru-body porcelain. Do you think Kerabond/Keralastic or some other premium system mortar would be enough? I usually us Ditra. Perhaps 2 layers? or Ditra XL? (when it is available this spring) I am interested in your suggestions.
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Old 02-04-2008, 11:47 AM   #2
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I highly doubt the tile is going to vibrate loose if installed properly.
you could appease the customer and put Rubber Vibration Dampening Pads under the legs.
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Old 02-04-2008, 01:46 PM   #3
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I'm with Brian, the washer is only resting on the tile, it is not attached to it.
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Old 02-04-2008, 02:11 PM   #4
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I bought a frontloading washer about a year ago and put it in my laundry closet. This thing is wild and walks all over the place. The only thing keeping it in the closet is the door and I think it may be just a matter of time before it breaks the door down. No broken tiles yet.
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Old 02-04-2008, 03:14 PM   #5
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A double check on the Deflecto wouldn't be a bad idea, Matt.
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Old 02-04-2008, 03:38 PM   #6
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A double check on the Deflecto wouldn't be a bad idea, Matt.
It's too late, IT"S IN THE HOUSE!!!

I might need my odd 6.
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Old 02-04-2008, 03:58 PM   #7
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Sorry, Matt, I meant for the other Matt. Hopefully yours will continue to stay put. Funny story...

Before the wife and I were married, I moved into the new house she had started building before we had met. I was busy one day putting up blinds, coordinating with the landscaper, and washin' a big load of good 'ole work jeans (this was the official first wash). My wife to be came over to check on things as I was outside figuring out where I wanted the hollies planted. As she went to enter the garage she immediately came out white as a ghost with only the word "water" coming out of her mouth. I go in to see water pouring from under the door. My load was unbalanced and the machine walked five foot from the wall pulling the drain line loose from the bottom of the washer releasing gallons of water onto the floor of our new home. Luckily it confined itself to tiled areas (sure glad I tiled under the cabinets) and much of the water went into the air ducts. After mopping up the mess and pokin' holes in the ducts to release the water everything dried up fine.
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Old 02-04-2008, 04:08 PM   #8
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I would suggest to the homeowner to get the washing machine checked by an appliance store. I have owned front loaders, and never had a problem with vibration. They were always installed by the store where I bought them. If not installed correctly, they will vibrate, and the machine will break down prematurely as a result
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Old 02-04-2008, 04:24 PM   #9
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Good advice, Brian.

Not only to do the feet have to be leveled, they also have to be locked - or else they will vibrate out of level.

A properly leveled machine shouldn't be an issue.
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Old 02-04-2008, 05:12 PM   #11
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Sorry, thought that might be confusing. I moved in to the house a month before she did to finish up things that needed to be done for her to move in after the wedding. I give her credit for the the building of the house as she started the construction before we'd met. Somehow or another we met around the time the tile was ready for installation.
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Old 02-04-2008, 05:24 PM   #12
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I ran into this last year. There was actual damage to the tile. It had cracks along the seams of the ply in the bathroom where the front loading washing machine was located. They did add a second layer of ply to the floor. It did have 1/8" spacing between sheets. I didnt know it was a front loader when I did the job. When I went to see the failure I looked at the front loader and asked the owner to get the manual. It stated that the machine should be placed on a concrete floor or base to avoid vibration. I had them run it with a full load. When it got to the spin cycle, man did it vibrate. It actually set up a harmonic with the floor joists that got them vibrating. When you were under the floor in the basement, it was wild. Never had seen anything like that before. The builder moved a wall in the basement under the washer to transfer the vibration to the concrete floor below. The problem was solved. Those front loaders spin at an incredible speed. Get something off balance and look out!!
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Old 02-04-2008, 08:09 PM   #13
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Just a thought...when I got my front loader home a while back,,there were 2 heavy springs inside that kept the drum from bangin around during shipping. Turned the thing on and was bouncin pretty good, didnt see anything about taking them out first time through the instructions, nor a yellow warning paper or such, but it was there, not in bold print and pretty easy to overlook. Took em out and it spins great.
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Old 02-04-2008, 09:31 PM   #14
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This is a common problem especially w/ second floor laundry centers. Lots of substandard 19/32" on 16" and 23/32" on 24"

In each case I apply a sandwich of either two layers of 3/4" ply or two layers of 1" ply and nail throughly.

In my last home I even did double 3/4" on an already double deck floor 92/32" total. OK, over done, but my new Bosch spooled up smoothly.

This new home only has 3/4" hardwood over 3/4" py and the same washer tain't as smooth or quiet.

Will double deck this installation also after all the other stuff is completed.

Also, I install double 2" shower drains in the over flow tray, (Pipe them to a crock w/pump usually) braided SS hose and a single lever shut off on each laundry job.


Been thinking. When we installed our last engine balancer the instructions had us built a trough out of 2 x 6s and fill ti w/ concrete for inertial stability.

That may also be accomplished w/ a thick mud bed for the washer?????

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Old 02-08-2008, 08:01 AM   #15
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Thanks for the help everyone. The homeowner's washing machines were both slightly out of level. Once they were leveled, problem vanished and tile installed. Thanks again.
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