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Unread 07-23-2005, 07:34 PM   #1
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Shower Remodel

I bought a home built in 1977. It looks like one of the previous owners was a do it yourselfer, but did not research how to put in a shower.

After removing the old shower [it was leaking from underneath] I decided to completely tear everything out and start from scratch. I have gone down to the concrete floor [basement]. I have read up on how to build a shower pan [Home Depot's Tiling 1-2-3]; however, I am still a bit confused.

The drain is plastic and it is intact including the strainer. Do I need to replace this drain prior to installing the shower pan? ...Or is there a better way? This drain does not appear to be like the pictures that I have seen. It does not have weep holes.

Any help that can be afforded would be greatly appreciated.

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Unread 07-23-2005, 07:52 PM   #2
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Welcome, Mark.

Really want serious advice? Throw that book away.

Then read everthing in the Shower Construction section of our World Famous Liberry. Then order a copy of John Bridge's newest book, Tile Your World, either from our online store or from Amazon.

Then comence axin' questions.

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Unread 07-23-2005, 07:56 PM   #3
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Aannnddd..yes, that drain isn't for attaching a pan to..you need a drain that has a base piece that bolts to the pan..like the one pic'd in the liberry.
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Unread 07-23-2005, 08:03 PM   #4
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Hi Mark, welcome. we'll have you headed in the right direction in no time.
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Unread 07-23-2005, 08:15 PM   #5
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Thanks for the advice.

I will be installing a custom pan using. The drain has ~1/2" of space around it that had been filled with foam.

Based on what has been said so far, I need to remove the foam and then cut the plastic drain out. Will the new drain that I buy just glue in pace with primer and PVC glue or will I need to cut away concrete?

Checked out the Liberry--I have read much in the last hour or so. I will check out the book as well.

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Unread 07-23-2005, 08:25 PM   #6
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Yes, it will glue on, and you want the base to rest on the slab,or close to it,then you use thinset to stick your mudbed preslope to the slab, then bolt on your pan,shape it to the studs and curb, then fill with water after blocking off the drain down in the pipe, with a balloon or a plumbers inflatable check valve,leave over night after marking height of water, and if it works, cover the pan with your mudbed, or some scrap drywall to protect pan from gouges, and start tiling!!
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Unread 07-23-2005, 10:39 PM   #7
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Davestone,

Thanks for the good information!

Regarding the dryall:

Are you suggesting that scraps of drywall will serve that same purpose s the mud bed.

Won't this give added potential to tile loosening and leaks.

Has anyone else out there used this method?

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Unread 07-24-2005, 12:07 AM   #8
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No, no, no, Mark, Dave ain't suggestin' you make no sheetrock floor, he's sayin' you can use some sheetrock scrap to protect whatever floor you have in there whilst you're workin' on the walls.

Protect the pan liner or mudbed with something; folded tarps, sheetrock, cardboard, etc.

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Unread 07-24-2005, 05:08 AM   #9
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Personally, Ive found a chunk of 1/2" carpet pad to be Ideal for protecting the pan while installing your cement board.
Have you read the information in the Liberry Yet??
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Unread 07-24-2005, 06:50 AM   #10
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Hi Mark, Welcome!

Or, you can be different (like me), and tile the pan 1st. It's still a good idea to protect it (should something fall off the walls while you're tiling).
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Unread 07-24-2005, 06:54 AM   #11
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Hi Mark,

You might want to read up a bit on doing a Kerdi shower. If you go Kerdi you get a nice wateproof installation that isn't too difficult to install.
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Unread 07-24-2005, 09:42 AM   #12
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Whew...I am glad that he was not suggesting drywall. I would not have gone that way regardless. I need to read between the lines better.

Thanks for all the great ideas.

I hear the Kerdi Way mentioned a lot here, but I have not found any info on how to do it. Can someone point me in the right direction?

Thanks!
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Unread 07-24-2005, 09:48 AM   #13
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go to www.schluter.com and watch the video
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Unread 07-24-2005, 09:52 AM   #14
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Thanks Jim...will do.
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Unread 07-24-2005, 10:38 AM   #15
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I watched the Kerdi videos.

I sure wish that I had found this site before beginning.

I have already purchased some materials. Based on the information that I had I purchased plastic sheeting to use as a vapor barrier. In also have 3 x 5 x 1/2" cement board for the walls and 40 mil PVC sheeting to make the shower pan [with PVC corners].

Am I making a big mistake or can I use what has been purchased to date?

My shower pan will be 3' x 7'.
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