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Unread 04-11-2015, 09:51 AM   #256
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Who is going to pay for all of this retrofitting of refrigeration systems? The consumer, that's who. Once again, the people libs pretend to care about, will be most adversely affected. Why don't you libs just admit you don't give a hoot about "the little guy"?
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Unread 04-11-2015, 10:00 AM   #257
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Nobody is being forced to retrofit anything as far as I'm aware. You can keep existing equipment in operation as long as you want. The restriction is only on new equipment which will be made with new refrigerants. The older refrigerants will be phased out but there are number of non ODP drop in blends which will work in existing systems.

You just need to find a good HVAC guy who knows about blended refrigerants and understand how to charge an existing system with a drop in replacement. For R-22 the drop-ins include RS-44 (R424a).
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Unread 04-19-2015, 03:13 AM   #258
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Once again Hawaii is doing its part to kill agriculture by introducing less 'helpful' carbon into the atmosphere.

Seems the power companies that charge us the highest rates in the nation don't like it when you choose an alternative.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/19/bu...=top-news&_r=0

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_in_Hawaii

What is interesting, most of our electricity is produced by oil or coal neither of which is a locally produced material, but the power companies don't like their customers using the sun, which we have plenty of.
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Unread 04-19-2015, 03:54 PM   #259
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If I lived there I would invest in Solar as well. Maybe some backup batteries to.
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Unread 04-19-2015, 07:25 PM   #260
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Many electric utilities are trying to create fees and charges for grid tied solar.--mainly because they are seeing their revenue drop withall those meters running backwards
Seems to me, setting up a non-grid tied system would actually be the best alternative in the long run even though there is the up front cost of storage.

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Exactly my plan for our next house. Non-grid tied solar. I'll start small and scale up.
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Unread 04-27-2015, 06:48 PM   #262
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Here is a link to a pretty good paper explaining the CO2 science that the IPCC alarmists do not take into consideration in their "infallible" computer models that haven't been right yet.:

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/04/2...lobal-warming/

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Warmers vs. skeptics (deniers)--a little perspective for those interested.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/05/2...hange-deniers/

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http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/earth/lethal-seas.html

I saw this Nova program recently. At first, it seemed great that carbon dioxide is absorbed in the vast oceans of the world. Well, there is a side effect unfortunately: it is decreasing the pH or raising the acidity of the oceans.
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It is true that the addition of CO2 will lower the pH of water--However, ocean water is still on the high side of 7, so what they really should say is that the addition of CO2 makes the water a little less basic, not more acidic.

It is also true that cold water dissolves CO2 more readily than warm, so as "global warming" increases ocean temperature, it releases dissolved CO2 back into the atmosphere, thus a warmer ocean can not be more "acid" than it's cooler counterpart

As an interesting aside--when the water/atmospheric conditions are just right on the Campeche Banks, and places in the Caribbean you can actually see the calcium carbonate precipitating out of the water creating future limestone--one of the biggest of all CO2 sink



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Wanted to mention also, that the "big" news this past week has been a report in Science of a new NOAA study that there has NOT been an 18 year pause/hiatus/lull in the earth's warming. This in spite of 7 sets of data that do show the pause, and the study actually (once again as NOAA is want to do) required the manipulation (sorry--adjustment) of a data set.

Here is a summary of the rebuttals:

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/06/0...warming-pause/

I particularly enjoyed Judith Curry's conclusion--

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The global surface temperature datasets are clearly a moving target. So while I’m sure this latest analysis from NOAA will be regarded as politically useful for the Obama administration, I don’t regard it as a particularly useful contribution to our scientific understanding of what is going on.”
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Unread 06-19-2015, 09:17 AM   #267
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hate to keep flogging a dead horse, but here is a link to an excellent essay on the current "climate wars" and the extent they have damaged the overall trust in science:

http://quadrant.org.au/magazine/2015...-done-science/

an abridge version can be found here:

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/06/1...ge-to-science/

worth reading for anyone.

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Watch, learn, discuss. Very interesting video.

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Say Chuck--I don't have enough of a data plan to download a 2 hour video--how about a short summary??? I do know that thorium is considered by some to be the solution of our energy woes, but have not looked into it too deeply.

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