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Old 12-19-2011, 05:00 PM   #1
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Passion vs. Rude

I understand the passion of our industry, I consider myself passionate about my profession. My question is when it comes to disagreements about methods(example mudset vs. backerboard) why do some people have to be rude and abusive. I just went through a nightmare on linkedin in the NTCA section and the same individual also started acting up in the Coverings link. I know this is one individual, but some people agreed with his tactics. This is not a Kumbaya moment, but rather a professionalism moment. We use a number of methods both in the handbook and not in the handbook. We try to make things work and last as long as humanly possible. I guess the question I am asking why do some people have to be jerks?
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Old 12-19-2011, 05:29 PM   #2
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That is just how it is. As for the guy you are referring too I believe he came over here and started a thread that got closed real quick. He didn't seem to be rude yet, but he immediately started talking crap about backer boards and one mod recognized him from the NTCA discussion and shut it down over here.

I am pretty passionate about our trade also, but at times I can be rude I suppose. I am floating a pan here soon for a customer/friend that hired a different tile installer hack to set her tile, but this guy said he doesn't know how to float a pan. He also told her she didn't need bn around her window, curb, and perimeters I normally don't talk about other tile setters around my area good or bad, but when she told me about this guy I had a few choice words to say about this guy and wasn't very tactful about it.
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Old 12-19-2011, 05:34 PM   #3
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Levi, I agree with you about your competition in your area,, but I should have clarified the post and pointed mainly at forums. These forums should be an exchange of ideas, educational experiences, venting for our mental health but not a hate fest.
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Old 12-19-2011, 05:38 PM   #4
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Old 12-19-2011, 05:43 PM   #5
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Old 12-19-2011, 05:47 PM   #6
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I was following along with that linkedin 'discussion', it was ludicrous. He acted as if the backerboard companies were conspiring against him personally and could care less that they're product is inferior. (His take)

I think when someone has tunnel-vision to the point of denying anything which disagrees with a personal preference it ends up being sheer bitterness. Some people feel the only way to prove a point, valid or not, is to simply be the loudest in the room, even at the expense of opposing points of view.

Or, as I simply refer to it, some people are just assholes.
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Old 12-19-2011, 05:49 PM   #7
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We use a number of methods both in the handbook and not in the handbook. We try to make things work and last as long as humanly possible. I guess the question I am asking why do some people have to be jerks?
I think there are people who thinks the way they do something is "special" or "the only way", when in reality there
are many ways to get the job done and in different areas some are more prevalent, some not used much.
with technology and advancements in the trade things are being made easier and more eco friendly.

it all boils down to....are you making money doing it your way ?

I have done mud, cement board and now the lightweight boards.
I love them all. well maybe not mud so much
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Old 12-19-2011, 05:51 PM   #8
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I find that in lots of forums, actually havent seen too much of it here though. I'm not sure why people need to be an ass about things, but I think being anonymous on the internet (at least most think so) has something to do with it.

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Some people feel the only way to prove a point, valid or not, is to simply be the loudest in the room,
even at the expense of opposing points of view.

Or, as I simply refer to it, some people are just assholes.
kinda like the people who hop in the Political and Religious threads
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kinda like the people who hop in the Political and Religious threads
the ones who only want to bitch and moan or spread false information - yeah, exactly like them.
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no, I meant the later of your post
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James, since the day John Bridge started this (now these) forum he has been very adamant that it would not be reduced in character to the level of the type of "discussion" you're describing. And I think our rather dedicated, unpaid, staff have done a pretty good job of helping to keep it that way.

Indeed, I find it rarely takes even an hour for me to receive a PM from a regular member if someone should post here outside the boundaries of civil discourse. And frequently those people are invited to join a different forum.

Good, healthy, even heated and passionate, disagreement is sanctioned and even welcomed sometimes, but rude just doesn't fit well here and is not well tolerated.

A few of our regulars need the occasional reminder, of course, but for the most part we can keep the serious arguments within bounds. For the most part. As you can see.
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Old 12-19-2011, 06:56 PM   #14
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I sometimes catch crap from some of the old boys I worked with over the past 25 years when they see whats getting loaded into the back of my truck at the tile companies. I make a point to hand morter float enough to keep my tools from getting lost or rusty and to make sure my guys know how. I think it is a important thing to be able to do but now days with the larger tile I think there ar quicker and easier ways to prep the walls.
Thanks to this forum I have learned about alot of new materials to use under my tile. Keep up with the present before you get caught up by the past.
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Hey James,

I don't think you'll ever have that problem here, not for much more than a half-hour or so. That's usually how long it takes for a moderator to come along and zap the thread.

Speaking of the Coverings discussion on Linkedin, I think it's a lost cause anyway. Can't seem to keep people form trying to sell their wares there. Not much being said about the show.
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