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Unread 05-25-2010, 08:47 PM   #1
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Deck re-tile...or time for outdoor carpet?

Every tile is loose on this deck. Removal and cleaning shouldn't be a problem.

I'm not exactly sure what the surface is. It's very hard, not rubbery at all. Maybe some kind of epoxy? House about 13-14 years old.

Is there an adhesive or membrane that will bond to this? Epoxy or Ultraset? Maybe Protecto-wrap?

Snapstone?
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Unread 05-25-2010, 09:13 PM   #2
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Unread 05-25-2010, 09:20 PM   #3
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its probably a solid concrete deck with an epoxy coating.
I have seen them done down here with a texture a good amount on old & new balconies.

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Unread 05-26-2010, 12:34 AM   #4
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Kerabond/Keralastic maybe..................
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Unread 05-26-2010, 04:58 AM   #5
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We did an Olympic-sized swimming pool deck in Wyoming the summer before last that was coated with epoxy. Naturally, we didn't want to remove the coating and would rather just put a membrane over it and then tile the floor. Tec and Mapei reps wouldn't guarantee their products (Hydraflex and Mapelastic HPG) in this type of installation.

In the end, we ground down all 20,000 sf to the bare concrete. Hey, at least we know it's stuck good now.
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Unread 05-26-2010, 06:15 AM   #6
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C'mon, Matt. Ya gotta find out what the substrate is.
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Unread 05-26-2010, 08:02 AM   #7
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I know it John! How does one go about doing that? They aren't the original owners, don't know who the builder was. It is over wood, or I think it is because the soffit below is vented and it's thicker than it would need to be if it was concrete.

This is one of three similar townhomes in a row, same problem on the others.
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Unread 05-26-2010, 08:33 AM   #8
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It is over wood
then you'll need to waterproof it all, unlike what they did prior.
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Unread 05-26-2010, 12:18 PM   #9
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How does one go about doing that?
Check for permits, the builder may be listed.

If the structure(s) will support a mortar bed, seems to me it wouldn't matter what that stuff is.
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Unread 06-08-2010, 01:27 PM   #10
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Identified. It's fiberglass, "similar to a boat deck". Laminate laid on plywood then gel coats with texture on top of that.

Waiting to hear back from Protecto Wrap. Blue 92 or Hydroban don't list this as an acceptable substrate, probably should call them too.

Any other ideas appreciated.

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Wow Matt,

I just looked at a 625 sq.ft. exterior deck in Tampa 2 weeks ago.
same problem, flat deck set on a fiberglass type waterproofing. tile guys set directly on it, tile all loose, water got under it, grout joints all cracked, mold, algae, efflorescence all started going on. even some nice 3/4" grout joints.
it was a pretty sad install.

it's a total rip out, re mud with pitch, Hydroban or Ditra, new tile.

2 1/2 year old addition. owners aren't happy with builder.


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Unread 06-08-2010, 06:19 PM   #12
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This one is pitched fine, not leaking. I can't do thick bed, no room at the door and I don't want touch the railing bolts.

Protecto Wrap says their afm/wm will work. I'll probably choose that route.
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