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Unread 04-27-2010, 06:16 PM   #16
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Most of the tile I have installed with brick pattern
Have been warped,even 3x6.
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Unread 04-27-2010, 10:28 PM   #17
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Actually very nice stuff after all, almost no crowing. HO wanted 1/8" anyway, so no problems.

Gueuze-There is a brand and lot number on the box. Also says made in iso certified factories.
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Unread 04-27-2010, 11:00 PM   #18
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Matt,

I don't think that sticker is a red flag at all ... quite the opposite. It's a good backup for the installer communicating possible difficulties / lippage issues with the client if they insist on going with a 50% runner.

Stonepeak is really good about having data sheets for each of their tile lines. Most will allow a running bond of 33% with a joint size of 3/32 for the rectified material. However, I have a recent job of 6 x 24 rectified (Quartzite line) on a 50% running bond with 1/16" joints. It's dead flat. It's nice to know there is tile out there that's quality, but it's also good to have guidelines (like the sticker on your tile) froim the manufacturer to head off potential troubles.

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Unread 04-28-2010, 04:48 AM   #19
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Matt,

Did the customer specify the running bond to go that direction? I always ask them, as I don't know if there is any right or wrong and don't want to have any problems with " why did you do that"?
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Unread 04-28-2010, 07:14 AM   #20
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Everything clearly specified by client.
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Unread 04-28-2010, 08:13 PM   #21
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So, nobody really answered my question, is TLS of any help in these situations?

I'm bidding a large floor with rectified porcelain, probably 12" by 24" 50% running bond, 1/16th joint. Using TLS. Should I prepare for disappointment?
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Unread 04-28-2010, 09:20 PM   #22
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Depends on the tile. If it's not crowned, you're fine. If it is, even TLS can't save you. Wait till you have all tile on site before agreeing to joint size. Like said above, show client with straight edge. Or better, put two crowned tiles face to face and clamp one end, it will amplify the curve.
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Unread 04-28-2010, 09:39 PM   #23
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What Matt said, or then use the crown to change the brick to a 6" (25%) or 8" (33%) offset brick.

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I was at a meeting / seminar at COVERINGS yesterday. This was discussed. Basically exactly what is on that label. The seminar was " Challenges to Natural Stone Tile Installations" and it applies to man made products too in my opinion. Their comments dealt with the lippage issue. This will be addressed in new supplement of the NTCA Handbook dealing with Natural stone. There are new guidelines for lippage much the same way the guideline is for recommended grout width based on tile variance where you take a 9 tiles and measure them out to get recommended grout lines. You take 2 tiles and lay them face to face. Based on the gap between the long ends of the tile will give you the recommended brick pattern: 1/2 1/3 1/4 etc.

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Unread 04-29-2010, 09:34 PM   #25
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So, nobody really answered my question, is TLS of any help in these situations?
TLS will not help with large format rectified porcelain. In the time since that directive came out, I've had the opportunity to work with it on three different occasions, from three different manufacturers, and every single one of them crowned in the middle. I would strongly suggest you give the architect a call, and fax him over that directive from Dal, as well as from the TCNA. This is not something that's confined to any one supplier, or even group of suppliers. This is industry wide, and has been known about for a while, and for the architect NOT to know about this, speaks volumes about how he keeps up with his profession.
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Unread 04-29-2010, 10:04 PM   #26
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Word. Bill V like Moses down from the mount with the tablets.......



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Unread 04-30-2010, 02:45 AM   #27
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And when he realized the people and/or tiles were slightly warped he threw them to the ground!

Ever noticed how sometimes it feels good to just smash that cut that won't fit or the tile that just won't line up?


Did a job where the entire house was with a 18" porcelain on a brick pattern, 50% overlap with 1/16" joints. It was nice one from Italy. Not HD tile. But the tile was warped in one direction but not the other. But the tile had a directional vein pattern running one direction. The homeowner wanted it laid with the vein running the way that caused the warped side to be on the overlap. Lippage city. We showed it to them. Solution- larger grout joints or change the direction of the vein. They chose neither. So we did the best we could. Lippage city. At least they were the ones to pick the tile.
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In the tail end of a job now, big mudset with bench and niche, heated floor, all 12x24. Nor only are the tiles 1/16 off square but each is cupped about 1/8. Of course it's all bricklay. Everyone's happy so far. Keeping fingers crossed.
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Unread 05-01-2010, 08:57 PM   #29
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Sounds like one I did a couple of months ago.
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Unread 05-02-2010, 12:26 AM   #30
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I'm really glad to see this post!! It makes me feel soooooo much better about the few spots of 1/16th-ish lippage I have in my front entry/kitchen area. I have rectified (I call it "rectal-fied" sometimes) 20"x20" porcelain that I set diagonally with an inset pattern (4x4s that I cut from 16" sq.) ... and a 3/16th grout line (glad I didn't try the 1/8th inch). This all set on a cement floor that was wavier than the Sea of Cortez!!! (AFTER self leveller). I'll post some pics one of these days!
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