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Unread 02-07-2010, 08:51 AM   #46
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Yea, go look at post 29 here. It lists everything you wanted to know and more about the requirements in TN. They wrote their own program like they did with OSHA so they can collect fees and fines. Hammy
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Unread 02-07-2010, 11:10 AM   #47
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I am getting like Royce, been reading on this all morning long and more confused the more I read. I do have one crazy question, regarding the age of the house. Everything that I read on the EPA sites start off with "...Under the rule, beginning in April 2010, contractors performing renovation, repair and painting projects that disturb lead-based paint in homes, child care facilities, and schools built before 1978 must be certified and must follow specific work practices to prevent lead contamination." Does that mean I am exempt from this law as long as I work in houses that were built after 1979 or 1980? If so, sounds like my game plan. Then I read more and start to think about the pre-1978 houses I work in for a builder. He will need this certification to do the demo. Will I need it for the re-install? Since, all demo will be done and I will not be doing any disturbance of the area (Other than the darn dust from the cbu.)

Hammy, I found this on the EPA page
"NOTE: Contractors and training providers working in Wisconsin, Iowa, or North Carolina must contact the state to find out more about its training and certification requirements. These states are authorized to administer their own RRP programs in lieu of the federal program."

I found it on this site, Renovation, Repair and Painting (RRP), click on the link "Information for Contractors".It is at the bottom of this section. Sounds like Tn is going to be under jurisdiction of the EPA. Of course, this page might not be up to date.

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Unread 02-07-2010, 11:29 AM   #48
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Greg,

You are exempt from the law if you work on a home built in 1978 or later. No matter what you are doing.

If you (personally) do not disturb more than 6 sq ft per room in a home or 20 sq ft on the exterior of a home built before 1978 ... you do not have to be certified. You are correct, in that your builder (pre-1978 homes) will have to follow the rules.

With what you mentioned ... you're free to operate like you've always been.

If you stay in these areas ... you don't have to be trained.

Just remember in the older homes, you can't disturb painted surfaces or you will be in trouble. No sawing, drilling, removing ... etc of painted surfaces.

You are also free to install new baseboard/quarter round if the baseboard have already been removed.

Just to be on the safe side, I may would put in contract or invoice demo not done or something like it.
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Unread 02-07-2010, 11:36 AM   #49
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Thanks Hammy.

I get confused because your link talks about "abatement", which is not what you do. I've seen Greg's link and noticed that Tennessee wasn't listed.
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Ok, maybe I'm confused. WOuldnt be the first time. I'll go do some more research. Hammy
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Cool Lead Regulations

Just so you guys know, I am bringing this to the attention of our Board of Directors and Executive Committee. We will look into offering a certification through the Association, possibly in conjunction with our Road Show Workshop Programs being held around the country. I think this will be a slow process to enforce, but if there is a need for the certification, we would like to explore being a resource for obtaining it.

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Unread 02-09-2010, 06:50 PM   #52
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Bart,

I think that would be a great service, to provide to your members.
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Unread 02-09-2010, 07:32 PM   #53
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Thanks Bart. That's what the NTCA is all about.
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Commercial work?

Commercial work?

Most of what I have read here and on other sites mention residential, or day care centers. How does it effect general commercial work?

I work mostly in restaurants, I've read only somewhere where children under 6 are or will be present.

Has anyone that has gone threw the classes have anything to say about commercial work?
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Listing of EPA Certified Firms & Certified Renovators

On the main website, www.certifiedrenovatorcouncil.org, we will be developing a list of Certified Firms and another list for Certified Renovators.

You do not need to join CRCNA to be on the list.

The main purpose of the list, is to start getting it on the search engines, so homeowners and clients can search (and find) you. We will even be throwing some advertising dollars in promoting the list. At least until funds run out.

Since we can't verify if you really are certified, homeowners/clients will be told that they need to verify by requesting to see your certificate.

To Be Listed Under “Certified Firm”

If you have applied for the Certified Firm, but have not rec'd it as yet, we will go ahead and put you down on the list. If you have not applied yet, please wait to be listed, until you do apply.

If you would like your firm listed ... you can post on this thread or you can email contact@certifiedrenovatorcouncil.org. If you email, please put "Certified Firm List" in the subject line.

You should include your firm name, city & state.

You should also include (but not required to) ...

1. Contact Phone
2. Website Address (we will link to it)
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4. What your trade is (remodeling, plumber, carpenter ...)

To Be Listed As A Certified Renovator

If you would like your name listed ... you can post on this thread or you can email contact@certifiedrenovatorcouncil.org. If you email, please put "Certified Renovator List" in the subject line.

You should already be a Certified Renovator

You should include your personal name (the name on the Certificate, city & state of where you live).

You should also include (but not required to) ...

1. Contact Phone
2. Firm or Personal Website Address (we will link to it)
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4. The Firm's name you work for.

We will be updating the list each weekend.

It's free advertising and could help your webpage with SEO
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John,

You don't need to be certified to do commercial work.

However, if you do a pre-1978 building, which met all three of the criteria below

1. Visited regularly by the same child, under 6 years of age.
2. The visits are on at least two different days with any week (Sunday through Saturday period), provided that each day's visit lasts at least 3 hours.
3. Combined weekly visits last at least 6 hours, and the combined annual visits last at least 60 hours.

Then it would fall under the rule.

I highly doubt you will fall under the rule. The only exception is if a commercial building also has a day care area.

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Unread 02-11-2010, 10:45 AM   #57
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Hello,

I'm new to the forum and just wanted to add my 2 cents. Lots of great advice here. I'm not a Tile person by trade, I'm a remodeler, however I do all my own Tile and prep work. I just don't like to sub out that part of the job, I think that's the best part of the job.

I'm going to take the EPA Lead course this monday. Since I mostly work on older homes, just about everything I touch has lead paint.

I figure it should keep me from getting fined (they say up to $32,500 per violation) and I think customers like to see that you know your stuff regarding this issue, because many of them have kids and are concerned about this.

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Guy,

Welcome to the forum!

The first thing this forum taught me when I joined ... was that I knew nothing . It has really helped to learn the proper ways.

Get plenty of rest on Sunday, before your class. The class moves slowly in spots, so you may have a tendency to doze . But other than that ... you should not have any problems.

I too am finding that homeowners are 10x more sensitive about lead poisoning when they have kids. At least your homeowners will know you operate legally and are concerned about their pride and joy (kid).
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I found this, it's a fairly good explanation on how serious these guys will be taking this. I find it to be more $$$ to dish out that I can't get back.
It also seems to be FL based but I guess should apply everywhere.
It takes about 15 minutes but worth the look, I hope I,m not repeating someone already.
http://cicertified.com/lead/player.html
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Scott, that link didnt work for me but this one did:

http://cicertified.com/ search on there. Hammy

or this http://cicertified.com/cilead.html
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