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Unread 02-24-2020, 09:57 AM   #1
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Ending tile around tub surround the best way?

Hi all. I am remodeling my master bathroom. There will be tile on the floor, the tub surround wall (not the ceiling), and the tub niches. I am struggling with how to end the tile around the tub, based on how we have the tub positioned.

We built a wall for the fixture side of the tub in which a closet will be on the other side (access to the tub and plumbing inside the closet). On the other end of the tub, against the outside wall, we bumped the wall out a tiny bit (width of a 2x4) so that the tub and surround were framed instead of flush against the back wall.

I am not 100% sure of the best way to both end the tile in the surround and transition around the both corners to regular drywall. We have kicked the following ideas around:

1. Bring the wall tile to the edge of the cement board and end it flush with a bullnose piece and just calk and mud it so its as clean as possible (leaving a very small reveal)

2. Bring the wall tile to the edge, flip the bullnose around so the thin edge meets the wall tile at a 90 as it wraps the edge and end it with a schluter.

3. Add some meat to the drywall on each side to create a larger reveal and calk the edge of the bullnose and use corner bead to create a clean smooth corner. This would entail screwing some of the corner bead to the cement board (painted with Red Guard).



Any help would be appreciated. I want the cleanest look and am trying to avoid that last tile looking like an Oreo cookie from the side. I also want to use best practices. Pictures attached.


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Unread 02-24-2020, 10:49 AM   #2
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Welcome back, Matt.

Is there a shower in this tub surround?
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Unread 02-24-2020, 11:14 AM   #3
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yes. the tub is dry fit now and there will be a 54 inch massage tower on the side wall opposite the yellow and red niches. There will also be a heavy glass sliding door instead of a curtain. It looks as if any tile (big ones or bullnose) will be a minimum of 2.5 inches utide the tub curb edge.

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You've got some technical issues to deal with before your aesthetic concerns are addressed. You really need to have your wall waterproofing extend over the tub's tiling flange on the drain side. How have you planned to accomplish that?
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Unread 02-24-2020, 12:15 PM   #5
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The tub instructions and all of the searches I did had the cement board coming down and being cut right above the flange, then silicon calking the seam on the flange and having the tile bridge the gap and calking the seam at the bottom of the tile and the tub curb. Is there a better way to do this? I have seen a shot or two of a 6 mil vapor barrier behind the cement board and overlapping the flange, but we didn't do that.


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I guess there may be a missing component to my design in the "Plastic Filler" . but I was thinking that was if there was a gap. Is there a component I can use as that filler that will achieve this goal?
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Would silicon calking the seam between the cement board and the flangework if I then overlapped a 6 inch strip of fiberglass waterproofing tape and sealed it all up with a few coats of Red Guard work?
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Unread 02-24-2020, 12:48 PM   #7
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Once you address water proofing issues that CX flag, your original question is pretty straightforward. Set the first tile so that you bridge the transition from tub horizontal to vertical using a tub leg as shown below.

No magic in how long or short the leg as long as it covers the curved section. Usually the height of the first row is selected based on a combo of the tub leg and ensuring you don't have a "skinny" top row of the wall if you are going all the way to the ceiling.

Re CX point, typically the tub is set and then the backerboard so the flange if behind the board.

Sometimes a portion of the flange is oversized and needs to be bridged with a membrane or sealant.

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Thank you very much for the info PC760. The only difference I have is that my side walls on the tub do not transition to straight walls like yours, they both transition to an outside corner.

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What the plan for the outside corner? Drywall? With 1/2” finish you will have about 1” - 1-1/2” strip for the tub leg.
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My personal preference in a case like that is to wrap the tile around the corners. You have to buy double the bullnose in the visual way I like to see it which is the first bullnose piece covers the non-bullnosen edge of the second piece that sits on the small return.

It's hard to tell on the pics if you did the method I'm suggesting that the first bullnose piece (which sits on the plumbing wall and side wall) would be wide enough to still sit against the tub face (and stickout to cover the second bullnose) without a small cut needed to fill a gap (if any) against the tub face?

Does that make sense?

If a small cut is needed to fill that space, I'd then switch to full tile to the edge, bullnose now just covers the tile edge like your second example, and hopefully if you're going to trim the closet opening the trim covers the non-bullnosed edge on the plumbing side and hopefully the side-wall bullnose is wide enough to cover your 2x4 fur out. Otherwise you will have a small cut somewhere without changing something.........

I will add mitering the tile as your outside trim (getting rid of bullnose altogether) fixes the bullnose not wide enough issue but is exponentially more challenging to pull off without prior experience.
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It's hard to tell on the pics if you did the method I'm suggesting that the first bullnose piece (which sits on the plumbing wall and side wall) would be wide enough to still sit against the tub face (and stickout to cover the second bullnose) without a small cut needed to fill a gap (if any) against the tub face?


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What the plan for the outside corner? Drywall? With 1/2” finish you will have about 1” - 1-1/2” strip for the tub leg

The outside corners will be drywall. The one on the back side wall is just a 2X4's width that goes to the back wall. The one on the closet side is a 2X4 width , then another outside corner back to the closet which will be recessed about 12 inches. We had to recess it to accommodate the main door opening and casing for the bathroom.
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