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Unread 03-16-2015, 01:17 PM   #31
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Unread 03-17-2015, 04:14 PM   #32
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I finished up a job about a month ago and was trying to get my last check from the homeowner. I added 250 dollars onto my bill for extras that the homeowner added. The 250 dollars wasn't near enough, I was mainly wanting to get the extra money to pay for my help, I didn't make a dime on the extras, in fact it cost me money to do them but the job was large enough that I could absorb the time it took me, no big deal. But, this guy didn't even want to pay that. We played the cat and mouse game for two weeks. He said he would have a check one day and then say that we need to go over the bill again, . I could tell that he wasn't going to write me a check until I knocked off the 250, so I knocked it off and he wrote me a check. Now, he wants me to do some more work for him. Ain't happening.
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Unread 03-17-2015, 04:52 PM   #33
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Don't blame you, Davy.....
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Unread 03-17-2015, 05:46 PM   #34
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Davy, Isn't your new estimate fee $250 ?
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Unread 03-18-2015, 01:16 AM   #35
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Hide the $250 in your new bid.
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Unread 03-18-2015, 07:15 AM   #36
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I'd rather eat the 250 and not SUBMIT a new bid. That's just another chance to get screwed. You know what they say-- fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice...
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Unread 03-18-2015, 11:16 AM   #37
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Unread 03-18-2015, 03:59 PM   #38
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Yeah, I agree. Why get screwed twice?
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Unread 03-18-2015, 06:49 PM   #39
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Yep, that's the way I look at it. I'm not going to give him the chance to rip me off again.

The whole job was about 14k so the 250 was no big deal. It still hacked me off. I worked free on the extras and was just trying to get enough to pay my help. And the guy acts like everything is just fine, lets do some more work. Makes me want to start making out contracts and have a change order sheet that they sign every time they add something. Making out contracts is something I only do when they ask for one but this makes me want to start making one on every job. The thing is, 99.9% of the folks out there are willing to pay for something they add. Most would say, yeah, I'll pay for it, I wouldn't expect you to work free. This guy isn't happy until he chisels a little off your price. There goes my blood pressure again, getting all riled up all over again.
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There is always Customers To Avoid websites......
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A good little read
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Unread 03-18-2015, 07:25 PM   #42
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Like the little read Paul! Case and point.
I`m so freekin busy I`m over bidding some by 20-30 % just so I dont get them but still in the game and .... you guessed it I`m getting them !
So maybe I`ll raise my prices more !?
Now I just need 2-3 more days in the week .
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We've been talking about change order sheets for a while now and think we're gonna start using them.

We just wrapped up a forzastone/tile job for the "expensive" designer in town, working in one of the wealthiest houses in town. This job took 4 months to do 3 bathrooms and has been nothing but change orders all the way. Now the bill is due and the designer is trying to haggle, Fortunatley I have most of the change order requests in my text log.

This is a home design/furniture store where they sell 20k dining room chairs and she's busting my balls over 60k for a project where we were literally installing 24k gold tiles and what was apparently $2000/sf petrified wood tiles.

The only issues I've ever really had were from the people who do have money. The moral of the story is: don't work for designers!!
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Unread 03-19-2015, 06:03 PM   #44
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Designers are OK...Just not over budget designers who promised their client they could get it worked out.
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Unread 03-19-2015, 06:11 PM   #45
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I've known several guys in the past that weren't very popular with builders and remodel contractors because they were constantly reminding them about extras. Any time something was added, no matter how small it was, they were quick to say, that's gonna be extra for me to do this and extra to do that. I never wanted to be that type person but I can see their point of being that way.

I did work for a decorator for 29 years. She also liked the construction part so she did a lot of remodels over the years. She passed away last year so we miss her a lot. She always stood up for her subs and anytime the homeowner added something, she would immediately tell me to figure up how much extra that would cost, even small things. Even if the homeowner was standing there with us, she would let it be known and made it clear that this was an extra and that we aren't going to do it free. A lot of decorators and general contractors don't mention anything, thinking and hoping they can get it done for nothing.
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