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Unread 03-05-2010, 10:08 AM   #1
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Basement tile job - concerns!

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I have basement tile job to do about 1000 sq.ft. I installed floating cork floor 2 years ago with moisture barrier under everyone was happy and it looked good until the flood they had 2 weeks ago. The house was without power for 52h, the sump pump had back up for 8h but that was it after that 2 inches of water trough the whole basement floor
It's all dry now, floor has been removed, drywall cut out 1' above the floor surround the whole basement and we are looking in setting Gas generator outside to prevent this disaster from happening again but instead of floating floor they want me to install tile floor this time - 1'x3' Travertine tile 1/2 thick.
I'm divided by how should I approach this projects having in mind the flood problem and possibilities of happening again.
1.If I do travertine floor without membranes, treat the concrete small cracks - I may experience cracks on the tile later on....BUT water will penetrate trough the tile and concrete. (Maybe not after sealer is applied to the tile and grout)
2. If I do ditra or roll on membranes - no cracks,quality job, a bit expensive. I'm concern about what will happen with the water if flood appears again.
- Will it absorb to the tile and then sits between the tile and the membrane,
- Would it damage the floor in anyway.
- Will the Water Damage restoration company be able to dry properly the floor if membrane is under

What do you think about this situation? Thank you !
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Unread 03-05-2010, 08:35 PM   #2
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Um....use a paint on membrane and then mudset the stone. If it floods again it will dry out, might take a while though.
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Hi Dobri, I have Ditra on my basement floor and it has flooded 4 times. Never affected anything. Course it's porcelain not stone. I don't think there would be an issue if you used Ditra.
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Thanks, Mike!

Did you waterproof the ditra with Kerdi-band? How about the outside of the perimeter where ditra meets the walls.
I'm thinking to propose to them waterproofing the walls 4 inch up with kerdi-band that way if they have flood the water won't penetrate through the drywall and don't have to be cut out and patch. (i have 160' l. ft 1'h of drywall to repair because of the flood they had) Does that sound like a good idea?

P.S Some people say Stone is better for basements because is breathable product , but i guess if you do Ditra under it doesn't matter what you used on top.
I'm not fan of the roll on membrane because if the Alkalinity is high or change the roll on membrane may be damaged and so my floor.
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I'm not fan of the roll on membrane because if the Alkalinity is high or change the roll on membrane may be damaged and so my floor.
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Hammy,

how do you mean? You don't think the Alkalinity will damage the roll on membrane?
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How did the water get into the basement in the first place?
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As far as cost is concerned, what will the 1' x 3' travertine set them back? I don't see the benefit of waterproofing the perimeter of the basement. You are assuming that in the next flood the water will not rise more than 4". It could be all for nothing. Ditra is beneficial for uncoupling, but without knowing exactly the circumstance in the basement, i don't know how the waterproofing aspect would come into play.
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I don't see how alkalinity will damage a liquid type membrane ... the thinsets you're bonding to it are highly alkaline. The membranes are engineered to be compatible. It might be a concern over an extended period of exposure to an alkaline environment (big maybe). If so, how is it getting in there? Moisture migration? If moisture migration, fix that first no matter what the plan is for tile or stone.
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Quote: The house was without power for 52h, the sump pump had back up for 8h but that was it after that 2 inches of water trough the whole basement floor
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