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Old 03-07-2012, 09:37 PM   #421
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Leon, I am getting confused with all this talk of supporting bars. If you go up to the ceiling with that panel, would you still need some kind of ugly supporting bar?

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Old 03-07-2012, 09:40 PM   #422
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Ceci, sorry for the confusion, no - the support bars are only if I decided to NOT go to the ceiling, but keep the current height panel. If I went to the ceiling, I'd have a bracket mounted on the ceiling (to framing above it) to hold the glass firmly in place.
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Old 03-07-2012, 09:45 PM   #423
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How many brackets? As big as the side brackets on there now?

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Old 03-07-2012, 09:46 PM   #424
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That vertical bar, properly mounted above, would take care of the flex. I think goin to the ceiling with the glass will look much better tho.
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Old 03-07-2012, 11:19 PM   #425
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Ceci, yup, just a small bracket like the ones at the wall.

Dana, I also think that the taller panel would be cleaner looking than auxiliary bars... Probably will go that way unless Mrs. Leon vetoes .
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Old 03-07-2012, 11:29 PM   #426
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Leon, in my humble opinion, the addition of that small bracket would distract from the linear sleekness of the whole thing since it would be on the horizontal plane. You mentioned a triangular piece of glass bonded to the panel and shower wall. I know you said you didn't like that idea, but would think less distracting. If it would not offer enough support, that's a different story. Dust could collect there, but you said you are tall so just swat the area every so often, no? Do a mockup. I don't know how, you're the engineer. Blue tape or something.

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Leon, the use of a corner bar is my suggestion.

Here is one problem. You CAN NOT drill thru the glass at this time as I understand it. It HAS to done before tempering.

Do you have structural support in the ceiling to support the ceiling mounts?

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Old 03-08-2012, 01:01 PM   #428
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I shouldn't have opened this can of worms .. My finite element analysis shows that a floor to ceiling panel will decrease the deflection by about 40%. However a cross bar right near the hinge would decrease it by 80%. And even a cross bar attached midway between the wall and the hinge would still decrease the deflection by 50%. Maybe the midway cross bar is not a terrible idea, it would be only half as big as the one I mocked up yesterday.

Oh well, I got some time to think about it and let it percolate .

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Old 03-08-2012, 04:11 PM   #429
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The line, Leon --- you've crossed it.

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Old 03-08-2012, 04:26 PM   #430
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Doesn't everyone model their shower glass???
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Old 03-08-2012, 05:27 PM   #431
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I think it would have never gotten as far as it has, had you chosen 1/2" glass.
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Leon, how much would a triangular piece bonded as the glass guy suggested decrease the deflection by? Guess since you didn't mention it, either you hate the look or it wouldn't decrease it by much at all. Ohhhhhhhhh, just do the bar and open up a Motel 6.

Ellie, really starting to like you. Hit him some more.

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Old 03-08-2012, 05:54 PM   #433
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Ceci,

I've been following your blog for a while, am really happy that you finally can take showers but really I just kept coming back for its great entertainment value!

As for hitting poor Leon some more...I might, just as long as he does not hit back!
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I'd never hit a girl, especially from Chicago, I'm not stupid.

I considered 1/2" glass and pushed for it, but the shop said no need for that. Which is why they are going to be redoing their work now, serves them right .

Ceci, the triangular glass gusset would be effective at reducing deflection, but I can't stand the idea of it, so it's a non-starter for me.
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Oh, it's called a gusset, is it? Leon how big would it have to be? I can picture it being some funky small add on, just glass, not distracting from the rest of the glass as much as a chrome add-on. Did you even do a mockup of the glass gusset? Come on, Chicago woman says please do one. Here, adding one of these, , to go with the please.

Oh yeah, ask my gentle contractor about how much of a toughie I can be.

Ellie, if you thought my bathroom remodel was entertaining, stick around for the sequel(kitchen). May even demo/retile my own backsplash. Yep, we can. Just need to believe.

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