Laundry room / bath / kitchen remodel

[jsigned]

Hi everyone,

I'm starting a new big project, this time it is a kitchen, laundry room, and bath project. My last big project came out pretty well thanks to he help offered here http://www.johnbridge.com/vbulletin/...ad.php?t=89688

So first off time I'd like to ask for input on the small powder room. I would really like to put a small shower in the powder room, but I just can't see how that might work in a 4' 4" X 6' space. The plumbing can be moved as can the door. Option #2 shows my feeble attempt at moving the sink and toilet. Mrs Jon is a fan of small living spaces, but is this just too small of a space?

(BTW the different options are explorations for the changes required because of the new kitchen design. Those changes require the door to the laundry room to be moved. The benefit of the kitchen change is the creation of a space to put on shoes and create a true mud room, as this laundry is the main entry to the house from the outside.)

[PC7060]

Hi Jon,

I'm a fan of drawings but have to say you lost me. Few quick questions:

1) What does the orange block represent?

2) Looks like these is a closed door located at the lower right side of the drawings for Options 1-3; is that a real door or a left over from the original drawing?

3) Why Option 1 - not idea what benefit moving the terlet and sink to the back wall provides; can you provide insight?

4) You mentioned mud room in the context of the kitchen, can we assume you are trying to convert this room into a mud room?

5) Where are you intending to place the shower?

[KodiCrescent]

Do you have a utility sink in there? That may be more practical (and easier) than putting in a shower. I'm not sure how common they are where you live. They aren't common on the middle class homes here in Raleigh. I added one to my garage, and it's been one of my favorite home improvement upgrades.

[Houston Remodeler]

I like #3 with a smaller sink and a pocket door

[Maniac979]

I'd consider a corner shower to conserve space.

[jsigned]

good input! I've added a utility sink to the new layouts and labeled the various boxes, closets, washer/dryer, seating, etc. Some background on why I'm trying to squeeze a shower into the powder room maybe helpful. My home is a two story affair with two full baths and 3 bedrooms on the second floor. I like the idea of a first floor shower because the dogs / kids / me tend to get muddy out side and being able to clean up without tracking the mess through the house sounds good. Also Mrs Jon has joint issues that sometimes require surgery. While she is recovering getting upstairs to the bath can be a challenge. Finally, if the shower is well done and attractive it can't hurt the value of the house.

So, we've decided to go with option #2. (Option 3 creates too many problems in the garage) So let's talk some more about the bath layout. I've attached updated drawings one blank slate and one with my first thoughts on a potential layout.

My biggest question is will a 2' x 4' shower space be usable? Because there is no space for a curb I'm envisioning a glass shower partition and a curbless walk in entry. Thoughts?

[Houston Remodeler]

What about a corner wall sink ?

The terlit will be quite crowded at 2 foot spacing. 30 inches is kindah tight.

[PC7060]

If you want a terlet, tub and sink I'd recommend a minimum footprint of 84" x 60" for a workable bathroom.

The tub is typically 30" wide, plus another 30" for terlet by code plus a minimum of 24" for sink.

You can get the foot print of the tub/terlet zone down to 60" by 60" if you drop the sink from the bathroom area in favor of a nice utility sink in the laundry area.

[jsigned]

Ok, I can really see that I'm trying to put 10 pounds of potatoes into a 5 pound sack by keeping the bathroom in the same place. Mrs Jon and I spent some time with the layout software and came up with a new layout. It keeps the same outside walls but completely changes the insides. The door labeled outside can't be moved so the 42" width of the new bathroom is fixed. We are not after a tub so the width should work for a shower. It seems there is room for everything in the new layout. I'm thinking about a glass shower surround like the picture.

I think this is better because it opens up the laundry space and provides a shower. But I'm concerned about the functionality of the shower and sink being so close together. What do y'all think?

[PC7060]

I think that layout will work fine if you go with a 18-20" sink (measured from wall to front of sink) to allow room for shower door and the minimum 21" clearance in front of sink. Looks like you exceed the minimum 21" clearance in front of the toilet by 3"; you may want to move the sink towards the toilet to give yourself more space between sink and shower.

I'd go with the fixed glass panel for shower next to sink and swing glass door mounted to wall so there is no risk of the door hitting the sink. Biggest limitation is the 22" unrestricted door opening requirement which is common in many areas.

[jsigned]

The project progresses. Here are a couple of videos of the progress.

Before the tear out
Day 2

I'm seriously considering making the shower curbless. Being a fan of the Schluter products I was wondering if they offer a solution?

[Houston Remodeler]

Yes you can drop the plywood between the joists of if SOG use their ramp outside the shower.

[jsigned]

The project continues. Finished moving the plumbing for the washer and started on removing the old over flow basin.


No pre-slope. Clogged weep holes. The membrane was just sitting on the floor. The upside was it came up really easy.


The new home for the washer

[cx]

Originally Posted by Jon

No pre-slope. Clogged weep holes. The membrane was just sitting on the floor.

Not uncommon at all, Jon. Those pans are not meant to be continuous water drains like a shower, they're meant only to protect the rest of the structure in the event of a leak or overflow situation with the washing machine or its plumbing.

If it provides a drain for such an event just once in its lifetime it's a successful installation.

My opinion; worth price charged.

[jsigned]

On a project like this the tile is only a small part, but what the heck, here are some progress pictures. The plumbing rough in for the washer is done, and the expansion of the room is well under way.