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Unread 03-01-2010, 04:35 PM   #1
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bathroom floor tile issue

Just starting the planning stages of re-doing the bathroom floor. My problem starts with the bottom wall tile. I believe the ceramic tile is the stackable cove base style. I installed vinyl floor tiles first, several years ago, then tiled the wall down to the floor. I hate the floor tile now, and need to pull it all out and put in 12" square ceramic tile instead.
What is the easiest method to remove those cove base tiles ? Or is there a way to miter cut the border tiles to fit over the top, without having to mess around removing all the cove base wall tiles ?
Just starting the planning stages, but this is my biggest concern.

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Unread 03-01-2010, 07:04 PM   #2
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Depends on what you installed the base with as to how easy you can get them off - remember what you used? I wouldn't try to cut to the base - I think you'll spend more time trying to do this than it would to remove them and start fresh. What type of cove base is it? If it is a wall tile then it is most likely thinner than your floor tile will be and will sit below the floor tile.
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Unread 03-01-2010, 07:33 PM   #3
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Back-mitering the perimeter of the floor tiles to fit over the leg of the ceramic cove base isn't such a good idea. One, having to back miter over the little leg sorta implies that you're not adding any new height (meaning perhaps that a new tileable substrate isn't being installed???). And two, you wouldn't be allowing much perimeter gap for expansion if you cut them tight enough to have to back-miter. It's better to remove the cove base, install the floor tile (over an appropriate substrate), and install new ceramic cove base (or wood base, if you like) over the top of the floor tile.

I'd use a hammer to gently tap a reasonably stiff putty knife downward between the ceramic cove and the wall tiles. If it doesn't pop off after you're down an inch or so, I'd gently tap in a second knife. You want to be gentle to avoid wall tile damage. Using a prybar in place of the putty knife would put a lot of concentrated pressure on the tiles and could easily chip the wall tiles you're trying to save. I'd make sure to run a utility knife along the tops of the cove base pieces ahead of time to remove the grout in that joint so that the putty knife can be tapped in there easier. Just be careful with that knife!

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Unread 03-01-2010, 08:21 PM   #4
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Thanks for your insite. The walls were installed with a premix mastic, and the tiles are the cove base ceramic tiles. I forgot about the underlayment. I guess I will try the putty knife method, and be careful, as the walls are 1940's plaster and lathe. Really fun stuff to work with. I had to tear out the walls around the tub about 7 years ago. That was my first initiation into tile work.
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A different thought on this initial question. Since I will be putting down a 1/4" hardibacker on the subfloor, could I just put the floor tiles in, and tile right up to the wall tiles ?? I think with the hardibacker and thinset, I would be above that cove base.

Any suggestions or thoughts. I am just trying to see if I can keep the mess to a minimum.

I do have access to a tile wet saw, so making nice clean cuts will not be an issue.

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Unread 03-09-2010, 05:20 AM   #6
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If the floor tiles are VCT (vinyl composition tiles) and are not cushioned, then you can install backerboard and tile over them. The VCT must be in good condition, though.
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Unread 03-09-2010, 07:28 AM   #7
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The hardiebacker over VCT and then tile has been fiercely debated in another thread. CX so eloquently pointed out that it says absolutely nothing in the Hardiebacker instructions that one can set tile over the hardiebacker once it's bee installed over VCT. I am of the belief that it's just another example of James Hardie instruction writers not doing a very good job. Why would anyone put hardiebacker over VCT if they didn't intend to install tile? To install more VCT? I wouldn't think so. So unless you can get someone from James Hardie on the telephone to confirm what they meant then I guess it comes down to your individual interpretation of what they mean. Reading the FAQs it again seems their intent is that you can tile over it because they caution against installing over cushioned vinyl products.

If you follow CX's theory the instructions tell you how to install over wood subfloor and walls. The they talk about covering with tile. Then they talk about steam room applications and installing over VCT. Well, they don't say anything about covering the steam room walls with tile but because it's a wall I guess it's safe to assume you can. Again I think it's poor writing but I am of the belief they mean you can install tile over it. If you do call James Hardie please post back what they say.

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Unread 03-09-2010, 11:19 AM   #8
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Thanks for the insight. I am planning on removing the vinyl floor tiles, then put the 1/4" hardibacker down.

My question is about the cove base wall tiles. When I put the hardibacker down, then the thinset and tile on top of that, I think I will be above that cove lip on the bottom of the wall tiles.

Is it advisable to leave them alone, and tile right up to the wall, with the new 1/4" ceramic floor tiles ????

Sorry for the confusion, but that is all I was asking. I am hoping to keep the amount of work necessary to a minimum, as well as the mess, which would be alot more if I have to remove those cove base wall tiles.

I still have time before I start the project, so if you think it's necessary, then I will adjust the timeframe for the tile removal. (hoping I don't have to remove those wall tiles)
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Al,

If everything you put down is going to put you above the cove base tile "lip" I think it would look kind of funny when finished. I would lay the things I am going to put down right up next to the base cove tile and see how it looks (remembering that the actual product will be higher because of thinset). If it looks O.K. to you then there's your answer...if it doesn't then I'd suggest you change the timeframe. You will have to caulk the joint between the base cove and the new tile.

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