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Unread 11-25-2005, 11:48 AM   #1
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starting second bathroom

I did my master bath last year and it came out great thanks to all the help I got from the folks on the JB forum.

Today I started gutting the other full bath. It's amazing how everything can be done wrong and last for over 25 years. The tub surround was done with sheetrock and mastic - it finally failed. The floor was 1" x 1" mosaic thinsetted (I think it was thinset) to 3/4" plywood - it was a p i a to get up. The tub was coated steel - the flange was never nailed to the studs - it just sat on the 2" x 4" ledger and never moved all these years. go figure.

I'm looking at tubs to put in the existing framing. A 60" x 30" will fit great. Does anyone have any experience with the American Standard Americast Princess. It was recommended on the Terry Love plumbing site.

http://www.americanstandard-us.com/P...sp?prodID=1010

Does this type tub need a mortar bed for stiffness? If so, what kind of mortar is used?

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Unread 11-25-2005, 06:07 PM   #2
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Hi John, I'm not familiar with the tub but it looks like it's steel or cast iron. I could be wrong. If it's fiberglass, you could set it in some sand mix the stuff that comes in the bag. Mix it kinda loose and mush it in till it's level and plumb.
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Unread 11-25-2005, 06:23 PM   #3
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I would not spend my money on the americast tub - its is American Standard's solid surface material. Some plastic composite. Go for a real cast iron or look at Sterling Plumbing, they have a fiberglass material that is called Vikrel - soild color through out - not top of the line product but good quality. Sterling is owned by Kohler. If that does not suit ya, look at American Standard's, Kohler, or Aquaglass for a standard Fiberglass Acrylic Tub.
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Thanks Mike and Brian

Cast Iron is to heavy for me to install. It's just me and the wife so it's either enameled steel or acrylic. I've heard the acrylic is better because it's a solid color althrough but I can't seem to find an acrylic in 60" x 30". They all seem to be steel in that size.
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I found one on the Sterling Plumbing Vickrell website as Brian recommended. Has anyone used these? Is it a decent quality?
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I've installed a couple of the Americast tubs. For a tub that's not cast iron, I thought them pretty good quality. No complaints on'em yet.

Go over to Terry Love's plumbing forum. Tell'em we sent you. Axe their opinion (search first). They'll give you straight skinny.

My opinion; worth price charged.
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Unread 11-26-2005, 11:07 AM   #7
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Did you put mortar under the American Standard tubs that you installed?
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Yep.

The waffled bottoms were very solid on both tubs, as I recall. Still want mud under there, though.
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Unread 11-26-2005, 11:40 AM   #9
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Thanx CX. I think I'm going to go with the Americast.
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The tub is in and the vapor barrier is up. I'm ready to put hardibacker on the walls. My tub flange is about 1" high and about 3/16" off the wall (it's a thick flange). Is there a way to notch the 1/2" hardi to fit over this flange. I don't like the idea of starting the hardi above the flange if I don't have to.
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Hi John, you can use a utility knife and notch the back side if you wish or even a grinder.
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Do these corners get regular metal corner bead? The shower surround will be tiled and the outside painted.
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Hi John,

I would Tile right to the outside corner and then "flat tape" the drywall outside the shower and mud over the tape with drywall compound. The alternative is to use a metal piece called "L" metal in the drywall business. I would not use a regular corner bead as it would distort the 90 degree angle too much.
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Thanks John

I return the corner bead. I not quite sure what flat tape means. Are you saying to tile to the end, put drywall tape over the drywall where it meets the tile and then use the tile as a straight edge to finish off the drywall with drywall mud?
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Yes, that's what I said.
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