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Unread 03-10-2010, 10:16 PM   #931
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Unread 03-11-2010, 01:25 AM   #932
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working on a shower now where they did a preslope, used redguard ( up 6" on walls and on bench top only) THEN ultraset, then final slope.

Mold has gotten in as moisture has wicked in between the 2. Do NOT mix your waterproofers. Especially when one is latex and the other urethane.

Also of note. Ultraset is ONLY supposed to be on top of the mudset under the tile. Never encased in the mudset as a liner. bad mojo. I've never used ultraset in this way but didn't know this fact till I got it straight from a very helpful Bostik tech support guy who actually returned my call despite being on vacation. (not to mention Shaughnn answering my call despite being on a romantic birthday date with his wife - happy B-Day Mrs Capua)

They also only ran the waterproofing attempts to halfway or so across the top of the curb which had no slope. Water got to the studs and swelled up real good. Splitting the ultraset even more letting more water in.

They took the time to tape and mud the bench and the seams of the hardibacker, but not the inside corners of the shower itself. 1/4" gaps. On one side of the shower, where it meets a corner, there is sheetrock and stud about 1 1/2" inside the shower itself. No waterproofing on that area at all.

Shower's lasted 8 years, company is out of business (wonder why)
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Unread 03-11-2010, 02:43 AM   #933
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ouch! some people just dont get waterproof! I am doin a side job this weekend with hydroban, first time I have used it but heard its quite the stuff. I am still gonna do my chloraloy pan liner but over my final slope and walls I am gonna use the hydro ban, but stay 3in or so away from the drain with the hydro ban to allow for the weeping.
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Unread 03-11-2010, 07:16 AM   #934
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Brandon, in post 933. In building your pan the way you explained......... are you building a REAL questioable mold trap with 2 layers of WP? Hammy
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Unread 03-11-2010, 11:52 AM   #935
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well hammy.the second layer of wp i will only paint part way down my final slope just for kicks. or should I just go with painting the walls and leave the floor untouched? It is a shower for my inlaws so thats why I am trying to go overboard. lol. I always used to just paint the walls with 9235 and let the pvc do its job, probably will stick with the way I know lol. thx for the input though. makes sense.
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Unread 03-11-2010, 05:04 PM   #936
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I found a site that helps people create these jobs-

Recipe for mold-
http://www.ehow.com/how_2336919_inst...es-shower.html

Mentions 'waterproof drywall'

This one would have been ok, if it had been titled how to grout and caulk a tub surround. But the title is misleading and the quote gives the idea that waterproofing is something done after tile is complete- "Once the tiles are in place on a tub surround, the next step is to waterproof the area to ensure water does not seep behind the tub. Waterproofing is critical to the longevity of your new tub surround and can not be overlooked."
http://www.ehow.com/how_5689666_wate...-surround.html

There are some articles here that have some good advice. Must be like wikipedia, anybody can contribute. They should just come to this forum to get good advice.
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Unread 03-11-2010, 05:26 PM   #937
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I didn't get pics but once saw a job where the tile setter set tile directly to the pan liner with mastic. Odd thing is it didn't look bad..... just wasn't functional for the fact that the mud base was missing. Tile directly to floating vinal pan liner?
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Unread 03-11-2010, 06:47 PM   #938
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Yeah Brandon, I'd keep the hydroban off the mudset and let the liner do it's job. tape and mud seams/corners and hydroban the walls. I do 3-4 coats with a roller (put enough on so you can't read the writing on the backer board is a good rule of thumb)
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Unread 03-11-2010, 07:51 PM   #939
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ok cool thx for the help. you should check out my other thread and see the shower I am doin. its got a funky seat built in it. I am gonna have a heck of a time folding my liner around the front of it.
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Unread 03-12-2010, 10:34 PM   #940
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Started a new job today. It' a new house that was foreclosed on when the builder went bankrupt. Somebody bought it and we were hired in to finish the tile and grout. I'm not sure who did the tile but I'm pretty sure they weren't pros ( at least I hope not). The layouts are goofy, the cuts are terrible, the door openings are split in such a way that you can see an inch of tile sticking out from under the door when it's closed, couldn't find 1 grout joint that lined up with its neighbor, and then there is this sad attempt at a shower. (that's the pan liner sticking up next to the drain)

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Here's what it looked like when we tore out the pan. They pre sloped (if you could call it that, most of it ran away from the drain) over the clamping ring so the liner was sitting on top.

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Not sure how they figure the bench wouldn't leak'

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And the curb......not even close.

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That's a 1/2" gap between the durock and the framing....

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The plumber wasn't immune either, looks like he used a hatchet to plumb in the shower head. (Right picture above)

This is a perfect example of cost winning out over quality and experience.
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Unread 03-12-2010, 10:46 PM   #941
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wow, thanks for these pictures.
now I can go to sleep at night happy about my work.
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Unread 03-12-2010, 11:05 PM   #942
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All I can say is wow!!!!! I have seen some weird stuff but that is now at the top of my list. The first shower someone would have taken it would have leak all over the place!!!! Hey atleast the drain wont get clogged cause nothin would have flowed in the drain! lol
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Unread 03-13-2010, 06:54 AM   #943
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Great pictures, Chris.

You should try to get a list of all the houses this builder did and go visit the owners and see how their showers are doing, lol.

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Unread 03-13-2010, 06:58 AM   #944
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