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Old 03-22-2009, 12:33 PM   #1
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old vinyl floor

I looked at a kitchen remodel last week.
I has really old vinyl over 2 layers if 3/4" plywood. The vinyl is stuck really good to its surface with black cutback adhesive. '
This vinyl s not going anywhere wthout alot or remval work.
What can I do without adding alot of floor height?
Should I use Ditra , of is therea 1/4" undrlayment I could put down that would be more economical?
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i don't want to
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Old 03-22-2009, 02:09 PM   #2
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You may not want to, but that's what has to be done. (or atleast what SHOULD be done). If asked to do otherwise, I'd walk. Even my own kitchen. I just got a 100 year old home last fall. The kitchen floor is a very well stuck vinyl asbestos tile. Much as I'm not looking forward to it, that tile's coming up before I tile it.
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Old 03-22-2009, 03:04 PM   #3
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Hi Greg,

the only "sanctioned" way that I know about to go over this vinyl is to cover it with 1/4" cement backer board such as Utilicrete*, and this is assuming the vinyl is the non-cushioned type.

* as per the mfr instructions
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Hi Greg.....

Every time I read the following in more recent Hardibacker installation instructions I cringe..... almost as bad as when I read Hardi's newer revelation that it's product is approved over joists 24" on center covered with 5/8" plywood.

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HardieBacker cement board may be installed under or over Vinyl Composition Tile (VCT) and other resilient flooring. For best results, remove existing floor covering, especially if it is in poor condition.

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So..... Rob is correct but..... so is Bill.

I would consider cutting that 3/4" underlayment out in chunks.... plywood, vinyl, cutback and all..... then replacing it with 1/2" ply..... then CBU or a membrane like Ditra..... then tile.
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Old 03-23-2009, 11:05 AM   #5
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I just finished ripping out vinyl flooring and particle board over fir flooring on a kitchen. What a pain in the arse. Try and remain calm Greg while you are doing it. I got so pissed off during it I should have had a heart attack. Wait until the next person trys to rip out the new flooring I screwed and glued down...MuHaHaHaha.....what comes around, goes around.
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I forgot to add that the fir tounge and groove was the worst to get out. They used some really big nails back then.
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Old 03-23-2009, 12:00 PM   #7
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Y'all just need one of these- http://www.tools4flooring.com/nation...per-p-245.html

We just call it "The Machine" and it will make short work of most anything. See if you could rent one.

Now that I think of it, what would one of these bad boys do to plywood? I only ever used it on slabs.
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Old 03-23-2009, 05:38 PM   #8
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Never used one on plywood, but I don't think it would do much. The reason I say that is I have my own variation of that machine:



And this is what the plywood looks like afterward:







You need to be careful, because if you're not paying attention, you WILL dig into the plywood. But so long as you watch what you're doing, it'll come nice and clean.
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I had forgotten about the "Machine". That would have helped.
What is that thing you are using Bill? Did you make that or is there an attachment that will fit onto an electric jackhammer drill for flooring?
I quess it is asking to much to hope for a machine that I could walk behind that would wedge itself under 3/4 ply and then lift it up.
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It's a Bosch 11316EVS SDS Max jack hammer, and the blade for it can be found at most tool stores for about 275.00 (and the blade on it IS replaceable for about 30.00)
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