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Unread 02-05-2016, 03:35 PM   #1
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Best color matched caulk?

I have been using mapei grout & sealants for the past year, but after two call backs within 1 month, I need alternatives. On two kitchens the flex joint between the wall tile and countertop has failed. Needless to say, I won't be using mapei any longer.

Has anyone experienced these failures with custom, or laticrete? Which do you feel is the best?

Keracaulk from mapei is the only caulk I've had fail. One lasted 6 months, the other about a year. I have five other jobs in which I have to contact the client and see if they've experienced the problem as well. I would rather be pro active and offer to replace theres rather than waiting for them to call me.
I'm very disappointed. $2 acrylic painters caulk holds up better than this. If mapei can't get a $8 tube of caulking right, I won't trust any of their products.
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Unread 02-05-2016, 04:29 PM   #2
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IMO, that joint shoulda been 100% silicone. I believe Mapei, and many other manufacturers make color matched silicone in at least some of their grout colors. I typically start with the manufactures silicone, then go here if they don't make one.

http://colorriteinc.com/

I've had good & bad experiences with all caulks when it comes to matching grout. Remember, all grout doesn't even match other grout of the same manufacturer & color! So, I try to remember to squeeze a little out on a scrap piece of tile and let it cure first to test the match, before committing to the joint.
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Unread 02-05-2016, 05:47 PM   #3
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I've never had any kind of real success with acrylic color matched caulks and most of my experience with them is with CBP, not Mapei. So I don't think the answer is to change the manufacturer but the actual product.

I've used a lot of CBP and Laticrete 100% silicone and have had good success with both. All the Mapesill I've used has worked great also. Except the local supplier doesn't stock it anymore.

I'd encourage you to move towards the silicones. They are more expensive, harder to install, and take longer. But my call backs plummeted after I switched over.
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Unread 02-05-2016, 06:14 PM   #4
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Silicone looks like crap (too shiny, doesn't blend with the grout) and I believe it's not available sanded from mapei. I do use silicone in areas subject to moisture.

Never had this problem before the keracaulk. There are many formulations and types of sealant and I have used dozens of them with varying degrees of success/failure. This by far is the shortest live product I have used. The bead is 1/8" against two inert materials, nothing moved. This is clearly shrinkage that occurred since installed in August/September. If I can buy a $3 tube of acrylic/latex caulk at Sherwin Williams that will last years before failure, why can't this last more than 6 months, in a controlled environment? I understand caluking is a maintenance item, but this is not acceptable. When I spoke to my supplier about the issue, he said he's heard this complaint before, especially with the unsanded variety.

I did speak with colorite today, I will order a few colors next week to test out. They said they have many stock colors for Bostick and cbp, so I will order those for future use.

I just spoke with a client I did a bathroom for 3 years ago, the cbp color matched caulk is still crack free. It was not silicone.

Price doesn't matter. I don't care if it's $50 tube, as long as it holds up. Caulk price is a drop in the bucket on most of our projects, clients will easily understand the benefits of longevity.

They don't stock mapesil here either, I always have to order it.
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Unread 02-05-2016, 06:55 PM   #5
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Phil,

We have no issues making silicone look good, we usually use Latasil since it is stocked locally.

But click on the link from Dana- they match any manufacturer's grout color and make 100% silicone in satin and sanded versions.
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Unread 02-05-2016, 08:47 PM   #6
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www.ColorRiteInc.com sells 100% silicone in sanded, unsanded, shiny and matte.

All latex caulk shrinks as it dries
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I'm a big fan of Mapei products generally, but have had similar failures with Keracaulk. I gave up on it many years ago. I've been using translucent white silicone for most applications.
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Just be aware, the "sanded" silicone from Colorrite is still very shiny, and not very sanded. I stick with their satin finish silicones.
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We use Groutmatch 100% silicone caulk on every one of our jobs.
Every change of plain gets caulked. As per EJ171 TCNA handbook.
It is a permanent fix to matching grout, no matter who the manufacture is. Go to their wesite or youtube to see how you mix it. Scott has been building distribution across the US. It is strong and durable. We will not use anything else. We have had zero callbacks since using this product. Good Luck.
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Another vote for Earthmaster products to give yourself a fantastic match.

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Unread 02-06-2016, 01:08 PM   #11
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That looks like a really cool solution, unfortunately I have only used cement grout a few times the past few years. I was using epoxy for kitchens and baths, cement on floors. This past year I've used acrylic flexcolor in most install.

I will be using bostik on my next few jobs. But may end up going back to the tried and true spectralok and permacolor. If I use laticrete, I can always grab a bag of grout to make the caulk, even if using epoxy.

I will absolutely grab a few tubes of this to play with. I never knew it existed. Thanks for the info. There's so many products out there, some with limited distribution, it's a challenge to know what's out there.

Thanks again, all!
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I'll post some photos of a project that I recently did with Colorrite satin silicone. It's a really nice match.
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Unread 02-06-2016, 02:24 PM   #13
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Tried the EarthMasters stuff a couple times, but with the availability of the ColorRite 100 percent silicone in Satin and Sanded finishes, just not worth the hassle of the grout mixing procedure to me. Does require a bit of planning, but what part of a remodel doesn't?

And the color match, as well as the texture match, is exceedingly good in my experience with the ColorRite.

Only caution with the EarthMasters product is not to try to use it with Laticrete Permacolor grout. You'll not have time to get it out of the tube before it's setting up. At least that was the case a few years ago and I don't know if that's changed at all.
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Nor does it mix well with Spectralock part C
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I don't believe it's meant to be mixed solely with a colorant like Part C of Spectralock. It's meant to be mixed with the grout. I could be wrong, but I though Scott from Earthmaster said that.

Last experience with Laticrete Permacolor and Earthmaster was very good. It didn't set up too fast.

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