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Unread 05-26-2014, 09:24 PM   #1
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Jerusalem Limestone

I installed a master bath floor about 11 years ago with 16x16 Jerusalem limestone, about 165 sq ft. The customer called me to come take a look at his floor last week. He first thought that 3 or 4 pieces need replacing but after looking closer, it might be at least 10 pieces. The stone seems to be popping little pimples leaving small divots and holes in the stone. Some are 1/4 inch in size, some up to 1/2 inch or so. It's hard to tell if this is the filler or the stone itself. Looking at the stone, I can see other round circles that haven't popped yet but are about to. Most of the problem tiles seem to be in the traffic areas.

I've installed Jerusalem stone several times and never have seen this happen. Has anyone else seen this problem with Jerusalem limestone?
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Unread 05-26-2014, 11:30 PM   #2
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I'd be giving some consideration to the "abuse" scenario. A small circular spawl crater is exactly what happens if you drop something round and dense on stone. A golf ball for example. How about fixing it with a knife grade epoxy like you would a granite counter top?
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Unread 05-27-2014, 09:17 AM   #3
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Thanks, Peter. He is a golfer so I'll ask him about that.

The epoxy might work but there are a lot of divots, some pieces might have 5 or more pops and many more that are about to pop. It would have to match perfectly for it to look good.
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Tell him not to walk around the bathroom in his golf cleats.
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I've heard of that happening. I doubt he is doing that.
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Lets eliminate the obvious.. indoor? no freezing(texas?), moisture?

grade of stone..does it have rust stains?

other then physical abuse we might be talking about chemical reaction of inherent minerals in the stone to outside stimuli..such as moisture to rust for an example.. many chemical reactions can take place including alkaline silica reactivity. If you don't have freezing I would look to moisture first then mineral reaction.
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What about a wife in high heels?!

Another argument against natural stone


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At the end of the day,if installation is good, you can't be responsible for inherent characteristics of natural stone.
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Joe, stone is beautiful, everything else is still just trying to copy it..and not doing a very good job either..that stone is not 5 years old..it is millions and with granite can be billions of years old...it's a learning curve, yes, but long after us ceramic and porcelain tile will be just another "mystery" sedimentary layer and will be called "stone". Learning the basics of petrology is time well spent.
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Unread 05-27-2014, 07:03 PM   #10
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Thanks Jim and Joe. I installed it 11 years ago, it's still solid without cracks or loose tiles. He's not blaming me for anything, he knows it's a stone problem. They have a big throw rug in front of the shower and there doesn't seem to be any problems with those covered tiles. I noticed that even some of the tiles near the walls have the divots in them, tiles that aren't usually walked on. But, most are in the traffic areas.
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spalding is not a wear problem. You can fill it with non-sanded grout, wet the hole,pack it in dry then add water later..read somewhere thats thats how the quarry does it. FWIW
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I agree, Jim. But the traffic seems to make those circles pop sooner than other wise. Some of the circles have a little edge or lippage. I could probably get my fingernail under it and pull enough to make it pop. Enough walking on it would cause it to pop. It reminds me of a lime deposit in Saltillo. It will do the same thing.
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Unread 05-27-2014, 07:57 PM   #13
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what about using a drill to make fine dust out of a scrap and mixing it with clear Akemi and doing the razor blade thing?
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I like Petr's suggestion of the epoxy filler... I'm sure you can get a suitable match.
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Jim, yes, stone is beautiful. IMO, soft travertine, marble, sandstone, etc have very limited use in most homes. Hair dye, soda, wine, acetone, windex, vinegar, to name a few, will turn that stone ugly. I've become a ceramic fanboy. Best bang for the buck if you ask me.


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