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Unread 03-25-2011, 05:10 PM   #1
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shower pan on crawl space advice

I did as advised and had a lic. contractor install my pan over the last two days. I have some doubt as to the style and technique. I have done a lot of research on the subject, and have gone as far as attempt to do my own work up to installing the PVC liner. My doubts are as follows:

Sloped bed had some low spots against the wall and curb edges.

No metal lath used in the construction of either pan

Used water only with the 4 to 1 sand to portland mix

ran the pan liner over the top of the curb only, not over to floor. Put nails in the top of the curb and left unprotected cuts in the liner on the curb sides along the top of the curb.

did not protect the weep holes around the drain.

Unsure of levelness, especially around the edges, but I think my ball sits there in many places, will test again when fully cured.

did not mortar, cement, or mud the curb. It is just wrapped to over the top. I do not see a way to add one now. No lath, nothing.

Please feel free to comment about these perceived oversights. It is only a 36x36 pan and he is seeking $700 without the tile quote, or wall installation quote. I provided the drain, felt paper (in which he was not going to use), the staples, all subflooring, and the curb wood. Thanks in advance.
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Unread 03-25-2011, 05:22 PM   #2
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No metal lath used in the construction of either pan

Used water only with the 4 to 1 sand to portland mix
Lathe isn't required, but I do generally use it. Water is fine you don't need anything else.

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ran the pan liner over the top of the curb only, not over to floor. Put nails in the top of the curb and left unprotected cuts in the liner on the curb sides along the top of the curb.

did not protect the weep holes around the drain.

Unsure of levelness, especially around the edges, but I think my ball sits there in many places, will test again when fully cured.

did not mortar, cement, or mud the curb. It is just wrapped to over the top. I do not see a way to add one now. No lath, nothing.
Now we have issues. You definately need lathe on the curb. Nails in the top of the liner is a DISASTER and will leak. Unprotected cuts in liner is another DISASTER and will leak. Not covering the weep holes is very bad and will/can cause problems, but with the nail holes and cuts in the liner that is the least of your concerns.
The "wavy" or unlevel parts are just bad Craftmanship but don't know that there are any standards to fall back on. That is just common sence, and should be done good. You have grounds for making him do it over for the pan liner though.

I would make him rip it out and hire somebody to do it right!
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Unread 03-25-2011, 05:28 PM   #3
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Sounds like a do over...

Clogged weep holes, liner nailed on top of curb, unprotected cuts....No good

Water only & 4 to 1 is ok

Check out the shower construction thread in the Liberry

Sorry for your loss - good luck on the next go around

Good on you for educating yourself
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Unread 03-25-2011, 05:45 PM   #4
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Well at least I have not paid anything yet. There is no contract for him to fall back on either. I honestly feel I did just as good a job when I did it DIY than he did up to putting in the liner, as I did not get as far as laying the final mud bed before demoing and hiring him.
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Unread 03-25-2011, 07:37 PM   #5
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Hi Chile, I wouldn't pay him anything. It is not done right. I don't use liners anymore because I use Kerdi, but anytime I did a base with a liner, EVEN with a Kerdi base, I always put tar paper down and the metal lath. Liner is to be wrapped over the curb to the floor. Dam corners on the cuts at the curb and NO nails lower than 3 inches above the curb. On the 4 to 1 mix, that's all I ever use is water.
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