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Unread 10-06-2005, 08:50 PM   #1
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premade niche install, before or after drywall

Hello, after reading both of johns books, I have decided to go the Kerdi way. So, now I am about to install the drywall, but I have a premade nich to install. I feel that it should go before the drywall. Since it has the nailing flanges I think that the flanges will leave an uneven surface if I install after the drywall. So to I need to notch the wood or will the drywall cover the flanges without a noticeable offset. Or do I need to notch the studs. Thanks, Rene
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Unread 10-06-2005, 09:16 PM   #2
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Hi Rene, you want the niche to sit nice and flat so you might have to notch the studs. I always make my own so I'm not too familiar with the premades. I would think that you can wrap the kerdi right on to it.
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Unread 10-07-2005, 07:35 AM   #3
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Rene, As a builder I would notch the studs...you're there so why not do it? I do it for laundry plumbing boxes etc. Now....I have a question for you.....Where do I FIND premade niches?? I would like to look at some of them and posibly use one. I just don't know where to find them. Thanks.
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Noble makes a niche called the Pro-Form -- nailing flanges sits flush with drywall when installed, it's waterproof and you can tile right to it. I haven't installed mine yet, but it doesn't seem likely to get much easier...
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Here is a pic of the niche, we bought it at century tile in chicago, www.century-tile.com unfortunately there are no markings on the niche itself as to who made it. (they must be really proud of it!). I guess that I will notch the studs just to be safe. thanks, rene
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Unread 10-07-2005, 06:35 PM   #6
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It tlooks like a Duk Liner by Curtis Resources Inc. http://www.curtisresources.com On there site are directions for installation and types of adhesive to use.

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Unread 10-08-2005, 07:59 AM   #7
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Hmmm....thanks for the info, rene & marcus. I guess I was under the impression that these premades came in different colors and were just installed as is and that you tiled UP to them or under the lip. I didn't realize that you tiled OVER them as seems to be the case. Shows you how much I know about it! Thanks again for your kind help.
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Unread 10-09-2005, 05:14 PM   #8
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triming drywall around shower fixtures

OK the I installed the niche and most of the drywall. but I've saved the hard part for last. the fixtures we bought (kohler) came with what I will call mud caps (see pic). my question is, do I trim the drywall to fit around the plastic mud caps. It seems like an awful big hole. Also any suggestions as to laying this wall out on the drywall. I fear that I should have purchased some type of rotary drywall cutter. my tape measure and razor blade don't seem appropriate for this wall. Thanks, Rene
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Welcome aboard, Rene, and thanks for buying the books.

You cut holes like by scoring the shape on the face of the drywall with a utility knife and then pounding the waste out with a hammer. Pull the waste off the back of the board and install it.

Yes, you leave holes as close as you can come to the exact size of the protectors. You'll notice in the book that I left some pretty good size holes for the valves I illustrated. They are designed so that repairs to the valve can later be made by simply removing the trim plate. Pay close attention to the installation instructions when you install the trim parts.

Since your niche is waterproof, you need only lap the Kerdi into its sidewalls.
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Unread 10-22-2005, 04:52 PM   #10
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OK I have the drain glued in and the drywall up. Now, I am about to do the mud floor. My question is do I let the mud rest against "dry" drywall or do I need to wet it? the floor will get a dusting of thinset how about the drywall? I think that I read somewhere that the drywall will pull moisture away from the mud. so any suggestions?
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Welcome aboard, Rene, and thanks for buying the books.

You cut holes like by scoring the shape on the face of the drywall with a utility knife and then pounding the waste out with a hammer. Pull the waste off the back of the board and install it.

Yes, you leave holes as close as you can come to the exact size of the protectors. You'll notice in the book that I left some pretty good size holes for the valves I illustrated. They are designed so that repairs to the valve can later be made by simply removing the trim plate. Pay close attention to the installation instructions when you install the trim parts.

Since your niche is waterproof, you need only lap the Kerdi into its sidewalls.
Hi John,

Since I am very interested in putting up a niche too, do you think it will work with a cement Wonderboard? Coz I remember on your niche thread that it's tricky. Some tips? Thanks!
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Hi Rene,

Don't worry about the drywall pulling moisture. It will pull a little, but it won't matter. Just make sure you get your mortar well bonded to the concrete, and make doubly sure you get plenty under the drain. It has to be completely supported.

Hi V1, Please put a first name in your signature like Rene has done.

Backer board works the same way as sheetrock, except that it's harder to cut. If using a pre-made niche that has a flange 1/2 in. thick, you might want to install it first and then cut the backer board to fit around it.
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Hi V1, Please put a first name in your signature like Rene has done.

Backer board works the same way as sheetrock, except that it's harder to cut. If using a pre-made niche that has a flange 1/2 in. thick, you might want to install it first and then cut the backer board to fit around it.
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Ok, it's fine with me to build my own niche, however, I don't know how to start it such as what materials to use/buy. Can you please give me some notes? I'm a good follower
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Usually, you only need a couple of horizontal blocks between two studs. The sheetrock on the far side of the wall becomes the back of the niche -- or you can add a piece of cement board back there if you like. Add cement board to the sides, top and bottom and waterproof the whole thing including about six inches of shower wall all the way around.

For a Kerdi shower, sheetrock is all you need.
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Unread 10-23-2005, 08:53 AM   #15
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Hi John,

Thanks for the input. Can you please tell me the process of waterproofing it if I will be using a cement board? What products should I buy for the waterproofing too?

Thanks!

EDIT: Here are my guess.

1. Put 4 mil poly around the homebrew niche and make sure that it covers at least 6" outside of it.

2. Then staple gun it.

3. Horizontal blocks can be a 2x4 studs
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