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Unread 11-07-2011, 10:13 PM   #1
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Tec Super Flex outdoors in CO. in November.

So I am to do a small exterior porch next week and went by to have them pick out a grout color and the tile store sold them Superflex. I had planned on using Kerabond/Keralastic. I have never used superflex is this a good mud? This small porch is covered and has walls on 3 sides with a garage extending a ways to protect it from most of the elements. The data sheet says superflex is suitable for exterior use, but I have never used it before so want some input please.
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Unread 11-07-2011, 11:24 PM   #2
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First tile job I did was with Super flex. Builder I subbed carpentry from asked me to do 800 feet of porcelain tile in a home his daughter bought.
The kitchen and dining room had 30 year old 12 x 12 old school glue down vinyl , curled up on edges. I told him I needed to put a backer board down. He said NO, he was paying me , he bought the tile, his daughter is getting tile and labor free.
Fortunately the home had strong joists, 3/4 1x6 on 45 and ply on top of that. Floor was sturdy except curled edges .
I insisted it wouldn't last long without a backer board.
He insisted NO backer board ,told me to put a roofing nail everywhere the four corners meet . He said she would be selling in a few years anyway.
I went to the pro tile shop told the guy what I was up against. He sold me super flex.
I used a half inch trowel on floor and back buttered tiles.
The builder didn't ask me for a prices on small jobs since I had been doing his home building carpentry for years. When I gave him the bill he went ballistic on the thin set cost, said the thin set cost a lot more than the tile. I told him cheap tile , terrible floor under deserves good thin set.
Ten years later pleasant surprise,I went back to that home to do some plaster repair , no cracks in tile or grout.
Second time I used it was wall tile on tile in dry area. Got back from lunch and noticed a crooked tile . Went to pop it off , no luck , had to get a chisel and break it out in pieces.. {two hour lunch}
I would still use it occasionally but the tile shop that sells it is out of my path.
I saw some guys using it on a sidewalk with some sort of membrane a few years back. That's all I know about super flex other than it sticks to tools and buckets as bad as 254.
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Unread 11-08-2011, 12:11 AM   #3
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never used it sorry

put keralastic in it
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Superflex is good thinset, not 254 sticky but getting close.

I guess if outside in November in Colorado just make sure it is warm enough to fully cure. Maybe you should be using a high end rapid set instead. (254R or GraniRapid)

One other thing, Superflex is just fine, but if you have to warranty it why is the tile salesman picking the thinset?
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I would say superflex and 254 are identical. Thats just me, Levi you;ll be fine make sure you clean your tools.
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you highs next week are 44 & 46 and lows at night of 24, 26 & 32

forget setting tile outside in that ! I would use rapid like Isaac said.
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One other thing, Superflex is just fine, but if you have to warranty it why is the tile salesman picking the thinset
He just sold it to them. I had already talked to my Mapei rep and he told me he would sign off on Kerabond/Keralastic. I am going to tent off the one opening anyway and keep a space heater in there a day before I set the tile, and for four days before I grout. This is a wood subfloor and not slab also.
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Unread 11-08-2011, 07:32 PM   #8
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Levi,

Using a liquid latex & powder is highly recommended for exterior work.

How will you prep the wood subfloor?
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SuperFlex is really good pookey and will work terrific for the application. It doesn't turn my hands to mush like 254 does when using it several days in a row....but it sticks to them for just as many days afterwards.

If you're using a space heater, I'd put a fan in there to direct the warm air down towards the floor to keep it warm. Otherwise the substrate is going to be at least 10 degrees colder than the air in the room.
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your highs next week are 44 & 46 and lows at night of 24, 26 & 32

forget setting tile outside in that ! I would use rapid like Isaac said.
Levi, don't you love the guys working in Florida and Hawaii giving you advice on exterior work in cold climates. But we are right

I know you choose your own thinset and do your homework, it is just my pet peeve when a salesperson tries to sell a client on certain installation products (like grout boost mixed with some other brand grout).

At least they did come home with a high quality product.
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Unread 11-09-2011, 08:37 AM   #11
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It is my pet pieve too, and I very rarely do a job where I don't provide all materials. Actually this bid included me supplying materials. Whatever I am not sure what I will do yet, it is a dry product so no returns. I may keep it for myself to try out on a different job and go with kk or maybe even granirapid.
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