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Unread 11-05-2011, 06:37 PM   #1
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Staggering joints in Mosaic sheets

I've been staggering my joints when using repetitive mosaic sheets thinking there would be less chance of a sheet sticking out.
Before yesterday I'd never seen a real tile guy set mosaics .

Yesterday I was working on a book case in a home and tile crew rolled in around 9 am to do a sun room floor with mosaic repetitive pattern.
They installed all the sheets lined up, 24 rows across and 20 rows deep.
Late after noon they grouted . They left before I did.
They did a great looking job . Now I'm wondering if I'm wasting my time staggering mosaics ?
Occasionally I will lay a sheet down off a inch, and have to pull it up.
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Unread 11-05-2011, 07:00 PM   #2
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Hi Robert, depending on the sheets, some will hide better than others.
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We dont stagger our joints.
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mosaics are self spacing no need to stagger.
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I like to stagger mine and do it all the time for a couple of reasons.

1- I find it does hide the sheets better
2- Not all mosaics are well spaced on their own sheet
3- When handled poorly during shipping, some sheets get the corners smooshed in on each sheet making the sides curved and the sheets more obvious. Offsetting the sheets makes this easier to correct.
4- You use less tile by using the cut off sheet to start the next row, as in wood flooring
5- its an old habit.
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Depends on the sheets, some line up better than others. I don't stagger most but have had to on a few jobs.
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I don't stagger them, but I may consider it the next time I do a glass mosaic job.

Two unrelated questions.

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They installed all the sheets lined up, 24 rows across and 20 rows deep.
Late after noon they grouted . They left before I did.
Were they setting with rapid set?

And Paul looking at your picture I don't think you set that much paper faced glass in 20 minutes. Do you like to leave the paper on until the next day or pull on the same day?
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We used to pull it the next day and fix the few bad tiles at that time. Now we pull the paper the same day. It really doesn't matter. We do use a little trick-o-d-trade ; We slit the paper where needed to straighten out the rows / columns. Normally the few end rows are slitted to accomplish the task and spread the difference out between a few rows so there are no fat grout lines.
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Isaac I don't know if they were using rapid set or not. I would guess they did, since their grout lines looked even and the whole job looked great . I looked closely because I noticed they didn't stagger the mosaics. They grouted a hour or so after they finished installing the tile. They did use plywood pads to kneel on when grouting.

I used to do interior trim for a slew of builders. Most of the production tile guys grouted the same day they set. If I am not mistaken, rapid set wasn't available then.

I can't say all their work looked good or even remotely acceptable, but I kept quiet about twisted tiles since it didn't affect my work .
I wonder if grouting too soon affects the grout color?. Sure did see a lot of grout shade variations when I was doing builder work.
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Sure it can. Especially if you use gray thinset with a light colored grout. The gray can bleed into the grout. I very seldom ever grout the same day and I never walk on my floors the same day they are set unless rapid set is used. I block off the tile areas real well and the other subs I work with know not to walk on my floors. Well, most do, there is always an idiot.
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I've been staggering my joints when using repetitive mosaic sheets thinking there would be less chance of a sheet sticking out.
Before yesterday I'd never seen a real tile guy set mosaics .
I was told to stagger the sheets on the first pool I tiled. I tried it on a couple sections and decided against it from then on. Backbutter or no backbutter the paper is removed before the tile is set so everything can be adjusted and all lines erased. Nary a square anywhere.
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The real trick to not staggering your mosaics when you are doing a big commercial bath floor is good layout lines.
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