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Unread 10-31-2011, 05:54 PM   #46
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Robert, just curious....Will you use Durock on every wall that has plumbing in it? If not, why not?
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Unread 10-31-2011, 06:11 PM   #47
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Robert, just curious....Will you use Durock on every wall that has plumbing in it? If not, why not?
Matter of fact ,Yes excepting when they are covered in wood. Wherever there are water lines.
If I built new homes it would be different. I'd be doing what I had to do to compete.
As my world turns , I rarely need to use drywall and I won't use OSB.
Most of the homes I work in now are plaster.
Like OSB , drywall doesn't have a very good reputation around my customers .
It already had a bad rep and the Chinese drywall made it worse .
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Unread 10-31-2011, 06:18 PM   #48
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Might better use Durock on your kitchen ceiling, too, Robert. I've replaced more damaged sheetrock in kitchen ceilings than any other part of a residential construction.

Usually due to failed ice maker water line.
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Unread 10-31-2011, 06:21 PM   #49
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Tracy,

so it leaks on the shower head wall ?

have you taken off the shower head and used Teflon tape and re installed it ?
that leak is just too much water to flow out of a tub area with tile on it.
I'm thinking its a pipe leak.
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I'm thinking like Brian, that's a lot of water to be going thru grout or even a crack in a grout joint.
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the plumbing should be pressured up to the shower control.
so when you turn it on the only area getting new water would be from the control to the shower head.
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Does look like a lotta water, but re-visit posts one and two. All that plumbing was eliminated early on, seems like.
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Unread 10-31-2011, 06:42 PM   #53
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ohh darn.

still is a lot of water getting through tile, cbu & grout.
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suggestion............. take some plastic and tape it about 6" up on the walls and re-do the shower test. That will eliminate or point to bad grout or it will point to a TUB / Wall leak. ???????

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Might better use Durock on your kitchen ceiling, too, Robert. I've replaced more damaged sheetrock in kitchen ceilings than any other part of a residential construction.
Homes are built different around the country.
I've done my share of drywall patching in the past but 90% was the ceiling below the flat shower pan above.
The homes I work on have the ice maker line going through the sole plate to the crawl space or basement .
Around here I've only seen two homes in my life that had an upstairs kitchen, not counting the basement as a floor .
Seen lots of them in Californication.
IMO more homes should have upstairs kitchens especially when they have a view.
I heard they do things better in Texas.
By the way I don't do plaster . I fake it with durock glued and screwed , PL premium between the sheets , mesh, thin set the joints,and 3/16 - 5/16 " easy sand.
You must know now by now,I like using durock .
Obsessive compulsive , maybe.
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Here is the latest. Rep from a tile company came and spent some time today. He could find no reason to attribute water to grout. Initially he thought it had to be plumbing (again!) and we ruled it out again.

We had him rip some tiles. Tiles were taken from back corner and also at each outer corner where tile meets the outer edge of tub (it is under here that water is pooling seemingly flowing out of tub flange)

Underneath we found backerboard that seems to be installed very amateurly. COrners are not butted up against one another. When tiles came off at the tub tile connection there is a decent sized space behind lower edge of tile as backerboard overlaps the tub flagne. This varies greatly just in the areas we exposed. In other words the lower inch or so of tile where it meets the tub is not attached to anything. Maybe this is how it is supposed to be. Someone mentioned a suspicion that this would be open.

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whats all the stuff in the corner on the second picture ?
looks like rust.

only way I can see water getting up over the tub lip is if there isn't a lip and it was smashed down or rusted out.
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Brian,
You are correct. It is rust. As for how water is getting to floor below I believe what is happening is it is running in the flange to the front and back outer corners where flanging just ends....it tapers off. There is nothing there to contain any water that would be caught in flange. Does this mean the tub is not completely level? Probably. It does seem that the water collects in that back corner where you see rust.
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Going to show some pics from the front and back outer edges which shows that the flange ends and there is nothing there to contain any water that gets in flange.
The first is the back of tub on outer edge. 2nd pic is a close up. And 3rd is the front outer edge just to right of faucets.
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yeah none of those pictures look good and you definitely need a redo
with the cementboard and waterproofing done.


still dont know why your studs are green
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