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Unread 10-30-2011, 04:20 PM   #31
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Tracy sent this to me and I uploaded it to my Youtube account for all to see.


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it doesn't look good !

I see it coming out from where the drain in the floor is connected to the tub bottom .
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Unread 10-30-2011, 04:43 PM   #32
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Can you take a closer pic of those drain pipes?

Aside from the leak, it looks like the trap is off to the side and not doing anything or they vented it improperly. In either case you need the plumbing fixed. I hope I am wrong.
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Unread 10-30-2011, 04:50 PM   #33
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Thanks for posting that, Brian.

Paul, I'm guessing the vertical PVC line we see is the vent and that the drain is at the left side of the trap. That would make the water coming out of the wall behind the tub drain?
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CX,

Could be, but I'd like to be sure.
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Unread 10-30-2011, 05:01 PM   #35
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Me, too.
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Unread 10-30-2011, 06:04 PM   #36
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After looking at Tracy's utube leak I'm convinced to continue not installing tile on drywall in any area with plumbing pipes behind ,no matter what color the drywall happens to be.
On a different note: Kerdi fabric looks like it works great on drywall.
I'm not wondering what will happen, when the unexpected , unnoticed plumbing wall leak turns that drywall to mush .
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Tracy, if you can and dont mind tell us about where you are, maybe we have a pro who is close to you and can help you out.

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I'm not wondering what will happen, when the unexpected , unnoticed plumbing wall leak turns that drywall to mush .
And if there is backerboard, the studs turn to mush, or the ceiling below turns to mush. Key is to do the plumbing right, then do a pressure test to be sure.
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Or fill the tub from a couple buckets to see if it's the drain connection.
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Brian,
We do not believe it is drain related as it does not leak when the bath is running...only the shower.
I am in north Fort Worth.
The wall is mostly exposed behind the tub faucet, the line running up to shower, overflow and that remains bone dry. Not a drop of water.

Thanks!

We ran our scientific test last night. Lined walls with plastic...no leak. Removed liner....leak. Lined side wall only...no leak. Lined end wall only....leak.
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That's a useful test, Tracy.

I believe this takes us back to post #2.
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CX et al,
In case you have not figured it out I think of little else other than this issue. Your ideas and suggestions have been more than helpful.

So here is where I am. It seems to be related to the water running on the walls of the shower. I understand grout can and will allow water to permeate it. However, the water that does get through the grout is not supposed to go anywhere and cause damage. It can evaporate. It can get back through grout and go to tub.

There is no evidence of a moisture barrier in place. Could have been painted with Red Gard which we will know tomorrow.

So why is my water going through the tile somehow and causing all this problem? I am trying to educate myself as best I can so that the builder does not try to say it was bad grout and that is not in warranty anymore. It just has to be more than bad grout, doesn't it?
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one more test....hook up a hose from laundry room / outside spigot, pick the wall where you feel the leak is coming from, start low (against tub) & go slow working your way up. mark wall with marker when / where it starts leaking also write on wall how long it took to begin leaking. 2 person job.

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There is no evidence of a moisture barrier in place. Could have been painted with Red Gard which we will know tomorrow.
You know that already, tracy. If there were a moisture barrier behind the backer board or a waterproofing membrane behind the tile, either would be visible in the photos you have from the back of the wall. You have neither, at least not at the most critical part of the shower, where the wall meets the tub.
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It just has to be more than bad grout, doesn't it?
It's not a matter of bad grout at all. The water will go though good grout, too.
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I am trying to educate myself as best I can so that the builder does not try to say it was bad grout and that is not in warranty anymore.
He can say whatever he likes, Tracy, but he gave you an inadequately constructed shower and owes you a new one.

My opinion; worth price charged.
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Unread 10-31-2011, 05:30 PM   #45
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And if there is backerboard, the studs turn to mush, or the ceiling below turns to mush. Key is to do the plumbing right, then do a pressure test to be sure.
With durock and plumbing leaks , once the leak is fixed the durock will dry out long before studs turn to mush . Green Drywall turns to mush as soon as it's saturated .

Pressure tests are required in new construction.
One ,five , ten, twenty years or more , plumbing eventually leaks .

When I go on vacation I cut my water off as a precaution .
When I try Kerdi I'm using durock for the same reason.
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