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Old 06-25-2010, 05:55 PM   #1
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Hydro Ban with Schluter Shower Pan

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I was about to purchase the Schluter shower kit when the tile store personnel recommended using the Schluter shower pan/drain with Hydro Ban. Their recomendation is as follows: (1) After cutting drain, thin-set pan on floor (2) cover Schluter pan with thin-set to fill the little recesses (3) After thin-set dries, roll on 2 coats of Hydro Ban on the Schluter pan and Durock walls and prepare to tile. According to personnel in the store (very reputable) many of their pro customers now use this approach. The benefit would seem to be to eliminate the need for a fabric membrane.

What do forum members think of this product/approach?

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Old 06-25-2010, 06:03 PM   #2
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There are several here that use some variation of the method you mention. The biggest thing is that you are using each product in a way that theri respective manufacturer did not intend. So, no warranty from them. The pros here that use it stand behind their work, I am guessing.

Check out this thread on the The Frankengueuze shower "system". I am sure the Gueuzeman and others will be along shortly.
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Old 06-25-2010, 06:05 PM   #3
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Will it work? Yes.
But who's warranty do you get with this method?
A rollon is easier than a fabric?
Hydroban is a great product and they accept Schluter's drain, but why the styrofoam pan? I've never heard of Laticrete approving that one.
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Old 06-25-2010, 06:19 PM   #4
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The Schluter pan eliminates the need to build your own.
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Old 06-25-2010, 07:08 PM   #5
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The benefit would seem to be to eliminate the need for a fabric membrane.
Explain to me how that is a benefit? If you are going to use the kerdi tray and drain, why not just use their fabric as well?

If you want to use Hydroban, then mud up a shower pan with a kerdi drain and go to town.
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Old 06-25-2010, 07:24 PM   #6
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Remember, this recommended approach came from personnel at the tile store. It appealed to me, frankly, because it seemed easier - no need to work with the membrane. As a newbie, just trying to eliminate a step that could be a problem.


Thanks for your thoughts.

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Old 06-26-2010, 07:03 AM   #7
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Al,

When you say to eliminate a step that could be a problem, do you mean it might be a problem because you have never used the fabric? There is a learning curve for installing kerdi yes, specially on a prefab tray. If you get too much thinset down your spending a lot of time trying to get it out. Also if you haven't done a mud pan before that could be a problem for you as well.
Whether liquid or fabric waterproofing is used the key is its done correctly. If you are not concerned about a warranty then do whatever you want, just make sure you flood test it, before you start tiling it. Again your not getting any kind of warranty from Schluter or Laticrete, and when your talking about a shower and all that water usage I myself would want a warranty. Its worth it. If you do use Hyrdro Ban on a Schluter prefab tray and it works, post pics over in the "Frankengueuze thread"

As for doing a mud pan, you can use this site to help you learn the process, people here can walk you through it, or they can do the same for giving you tips about putting kerdi on a prefab pan.
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I understand your aim to eliminate steps that can be problematic for a newbie, but I think we all agree you are inadvertantly creating new hazards. Hydroban over a foam pan without the benefit of the kerdi fabric to me is a recipe for disaster. All you would need is for one heavy person to put their heel on the corner of a 4x4 tile and it will poke right through the hydroban, causing a leak. It would be worse if anyone used a shower stool or ladder in the shower, which would concentrate the load. It would "more badder" if the tiles were smaller.

If you can tile you can put the kerdi on the walls. It certainly weighs less then the tile and goes up much faster. What about hiring a pro just to install the kerdi fabric?
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Old 08-08-2010, 08:46 AM   #9
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Hydro Ban Substitute

We are installing a new mud shower pan which has been coated with hydro ban. Unfortunately, we ran out of hydroban just as we were about to coat the part of the pan that slopes around the drain. I am wondering if anyone could recommend another material to substitute for the hydroban since a gallon costs around $70.

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Old 08-08-2010, 08:51 AM   #10
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One project, one thread is the way we roll. Please ask all your project questions on your project thread.

Spend the $70. Trying to substitute an inferior product or a product that may not perform the same when applied over Hydroban would be a huge blunder IMHO. Any chance of a warranty would be out the window as well. Cheap insurance that 70 bucks.

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Old 08-08-2010, 09:20 AM   #11
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Agree with Brian, I do. (Yoda moment) Buy the gallon of hydroban, finish the floor and then use the rest of the gallon and coat all of the shower until that bucket is gone. It is cheap insurance at this point. Would hate to see you get the shower finished and then learn that the other product did not bond correctly with the Hydroban.
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if you bought a gallon how did you not have enough to coat your pan a few times ? :Scratch:

the coverage is about 50sq.ft. at the required thickness.

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what drain did you end up using with the Hydroban ?

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I am wondering if anyone could recommend another material to substitute for the hydroban since a gallon costs around $70.
should have bought the Laticrete HydroBarrier for a little over a $100.
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Old 08-08-2010, 09:47 AM   #13
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will do

thanks for the advice.

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