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Unread 11-09-2006, 11:25 AM   #1
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Water Test

Water! A magic aid when installing ceramic tile and natural stone. Water is truly one of the most versatile, as well as most important elements in our lives. Water is our friend, and should be our best friend, one that we always take to every job site before the installation is started. One of the most common installation complaints in a tile or stone floor, is failure due to 'loss of bond', simply spoken 'The tile or stone is loose'. This generally occurs because the substrate(surface to be tiled)is contaminated(dirty, greasy, sealed, paint residue, old glue/mastic residue, waxes, oils)in simple english, not acceptable to bond directly to. When cement based products are used for bonding of tile or stone, the substrate must have enough absorption to allow the cement molecules to mechanically bond themselves to this substrate. No absorption, no bond, no bond, bond failure. Test first! Use a simple spray bottle filled with water and randomley spray the area to be tiled, if the water is readily absorbed, it should be ok for installation. An ounce or two of water is worth it's weight in GOLD!
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Unread 11-09-2006, 06:41 PM   #2
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do you have stock in water? the way you are talking about it you either have financial interest or you just spent 40 days and 40 nights in the middle of the desert without any.........water
By the way welcome to the board
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Unread 11-09-2006, 06:43 PM   #3
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He's a tree.. He absorbs probably more than anyone...
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Unread 11-10-2006, 12:18 PM   #4
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He's from Houston, the city with more failed showers than any place else in the country. Wonder why that is?

Welcome Tree, give us a first name when you get a chance.

BTW, as a new member you're entitled to take advantage of our Nov. special something right up your alley. A 600 gallon tow-able, inflatable water tank. Email me for full details.
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Unread 11-10-2006, 12:49 PM   #5
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I have a few ounces of water Tree, got any gold?
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Unread 11-10-2006, 04:03 PM   #6
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Is that how ya'll are going to welcome a New Member???

Can you find fault in any of his statements? Errors?

Cmon guys, this is supposed to be a friendly place.......Besides,
He is right, checking to be certain sealers, oils , greases etc are not going to cause bond problems is important........Just as important as the thinset you choose and the trowel notch you grab..........Shall we try again?

Welcome aboard Tree........tell us a bit about your experience !!
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Unread 11-10-2006, 04:10 PM   #7
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Didnt know I was being Unfriendly..
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Unread 11-10-2006, 04:20 PM   #8
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Scott, izzok.

Todd's a little on edge these days. See....alla water's done turned to ice up North and he won't see it again till Spring thaw. Touchy subject 'sall.

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Unread 11-11-2006, 01:08 AM   #10
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I had to rip up 16 feet of tile the other day. It was on hydrogaurd 2000 used as an anti-crack. The install was about 15 day old. The bond of the lat 253 to the impervious non-absorptive hydroguard was incredible. I had to chip at it with a heavy cold chisel for a long time. On the other hand I was not too impressed with the bond to the large porcelain tile.
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Unread 11-11-2006, 12:14 PM   #11
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That is because the tile is impervious, not the membrane.
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Unread 11-11-2006, 12:34 PM   #12
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Whats Hydrogaurd 2000?
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Hydro-Guard 2000 is an asphalt modified latex membrane reinforced with a synthetic fabric and is applied in a cold, semi-fluid state. This thin, load bearing membrane is waterproof and will inhibit the transferral of cracks from the substrate to the finished surface.
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