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Unread 06-22-2013, 11:25 PM   #61
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Since this has been carved out as a discussion...

We have to be the hardest bunch of people to moderate. Tile installers generally like to think highly of themselves. To a certain degree I believe it requires a larger hat size to do tile. If you come across timid or uninformed to a potential client it's going to be a tough sale. Are we all born with the predisposition to this or do we all develop it, dunno, but it's there. Swallowing one's pride doesn't go down so well. Never show weakness, right? If you can agree with that, then you have to expect there to be problems between tile setters.

How do you keep that under control and keep the tag line "the friendliest DIY Forum on the Internet"? You make rules.

I don't know the particulars of what happened, but following the drama I can see that there was "unacceptable" language used and someone took offense to it. Now, I agree that it seems a little petty for one professional to report another professional for talking dirty, but I can certainly see the owners having a responsibility to be fair and look at every members request. How would you feel if you were new and felt "slighted" and didn't get a response? You aren't going to gain many new members conducting business that way.

I have enjoyed meeting Jim and we have talked at least once or twice over the phone since then and he has gone out of his way to help me out. I don't think we hold many similar views outside of tile and he may not respect any of my views on politics and religion, but to a small degree I feel like I get to know a person a little after several years of forum chatting. Hopefully he wouldn't mind me making the observation that he has the type of personality that likes to push the limits of whatever may be limited. I think that's what makes him a great installer and great person in general. He doesn't mind trying something new, he doesn't mind breaking the rules of engagement, he doesn't mind going out of his way to help someone, he doesn't mind speaking his mind, and he gets a big kick out of being incendiary.

In defense of a forum that was created for and caters to a general public of Do It Yourselfers, it seems like that would be the worst type of individual to moderate (Jim would like that title ). Though having a large group of faithful professionals to help out the DIYers, in all reality only a small group is actually active (I don't help out nearly enough). So, for the most part our banter and arguments as pros ain't really paying the bills. I'm sure there are stats to prove this. Making sure we don't drop any dirty words takes time away from the Advice Board, which would be aggravating.

I hope that this can be resolved, but I can't imagine anyone backing down. You can't make a habit of apologizing for enforcing rules. If I were Jim and I was scolded harshly on shaky terms, I probably wouldn't come back either. If he does that is awesome. He's a weird and wonderful guy. Those that are fans can probably friend him on Facebook if interested.
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Unread 06-22-2013, 11:44 PM   #62
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Unread 06-23-2013, 01:36 AM   #63
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Some people believe the adage "If your not living life on the edge, your taking up too much space."

I can't speak for Jim, but from my perspective a whole lot of creative, intelligent and passionate minds have always lived at the outer edges. Sometimes aware that they are different from the sheeple, but too driven forward to be tied down by convention. In a rule-based space harnesses are put on them to rein them in. Jim is a spirited horse that just wants to be what he's meant to be. You can learn to love and adapt to that kind of spirit, or shoot the horse. It's a hard decision either way.

Personally I've always appreciated Jim's humor, talents, passion and willingness to share. All good traits. That's what I choose to remember.

We're commiserating, but I'm sure Jim is moving forward without thinking about it twice. Cept having to leave his compadres behind. Best regards.
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Unread 06-23-2013, 01:50 AM   #64
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Does the friendliest tile forum theme apply to the mud box?

Doesn't appear like politeness is currently a requirement.

I don't even like to come here unless a thread gets moved. This place is scary
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Unread 06-23-2013, 04:34 AM   #65
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Not sure what was said, don't really care. I will say that I've learned a lot from Gueuze. He does push the boundaries and definetly mixes/matches methods and materials like no other. I find that he has a creative mindset that comes up with some off the wall solutions and ideas.

Long live the King of Tile Porn!
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Unread 06-23-2013, 05:47 AM   #66
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Unread 06-23-2013, 06:45 AM   #67
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There was a guy years ago around here that loved hydroban or something. What ever happened to him??? I know Jim and he were friends. Anyone know how I can find that person too???


I will miss the beer consulting and such, so I may just drink PBR now so I dont have to worry what good beer tastes like. As Greg said long live TILEPORN.
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Unread 06-23-2013, 06:58 AM   #68
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There was a guy years ago around here that loved hydroban or something. What ever happened to him???
guys like them don't get going away threads...........they just go away.
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Unread 06-23-2013, 08:12 AM   #69
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Good post Joe.I agree 100 percent.
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Unread 06-23-2013, 09:02 AM   #70
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Well said Brad. Thanks for putting into words what I couldn't

Somewhat carefully typed on teensy cell phone keys by thinset coated and calloused fingers.
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Unread 06-23-2013, 09:03 AM   #71
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Kinda late to this ........

I will just say that Jim is one of the ones which can read very well between the lines and give an adult reflection of tile subjects . His work and posts reflect these very well and his ways of joking really spiced up -- in a good way -- this forum .

That being said , it looks like -- to me -- this forum changed somehow and interactions from the moderators -- even in the pro's hangout -- are reflecting specific directions to be taken . In other words , we are nice if you play along .

This forum reached a point of saturation of very good informations on tile subjects and what is left to say ....... just repeating the same or ...... copy and paste mfgs instructions . Friendly to anyone .

Allowing '' hot'' discussions on different topics will definitely improve our thinking of the techniques and materials used , but sadly , it kinda doesn't take place much these days .

Deleting posts -- edit option is available -- also doesn't help in understanding what really is going on and having just the saying of one forum member --- called a...... -- is probably not a good reason to ban someone .
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Unread 06-23-2013, 09:25 AM   #72
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I don't know if gueuze shoulda been banned or not, but I do know he has been less than friendly to me over the years. Maybe it's just me.

I think as long as you don't disagree with him politically, you're fine. At least, not out loud.....

His talent as a tile installer cannot be disputed.






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Unread 06-23-2013, 09:46 AM   #73
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I've made some remarks on this topic in another thread, and since this has become a matter of concern to so many, I will continue here in hopes of clarifying a few issues.

The decision to ban Gueuze from the forums was based on behavior ("forum decorum," I call it), not on whether Jim is a good person. I happen to know he is a good person. I've had personal contact with him that goes back several years. Through the years I've gained a great deal of respect for his tile setting expertise and his ability to innovate.

As some of you might have suspected or known, the moderators of the JB Forums have a private forum of their own where the business of operating the forums is discussed on a continuous basis. Much of the discussion in that forum is routine, but occasionally a thread is started concerning an individual who has become a problem or concern. Several threads have been started on Jim's conduct, the most recent going back to February of 2011. It now contains ten pages.

The moderators on the John Bridge Tile Forums are people who devote a great deal of their time and effort to the job. They do not receive a salary for the work they do. They do it because they like helping other people, which happens to be the main business of this web site. They are people you know and people who deserve your respect. I respect and appreciate them immensely. I can assure you that no moderator is on a power trip. They are dedicated to helping, not controlling, and if that were not the case I can assure you they would not be in the position they are in. Because of the moderators, I have very little to do around here, and that's how I like it.

The decision to ban Jim was reached over a period of years, with countless warnings having been issued by various moderators, by my partners and by me. None of it was taken lightly or in haste. I won't tell you the particulars, but I'll tell you that when the final tally was rendered there were zero detractors. None. The Forums are run by rules. You can find them in the FAQ.

This web site currently welcomes 12,000 new visitors every day, so it's not just about those of us who are regulars; it's also about those thousands who come, look in, gather information and go on about their business. We bill ourselves to be friendly, informative and family oriented. We work very hard to live up to those claims. We're not perfect (no one is), but we try. Every regular here is a part of that.

I know that there is a considerable amount of chatter off line and on other sites, and that is how it should be. There is a bit of scuttlebutt, however, that I am inclined to refute. It has been alleged that administrators and moderators of the forums are privy to the content of private messages (PMs) and emails generated through our server. That is as far from the truth as it can be. Although I know that sort of hacking is possible, we don't have the capability using the software that drives the forums, and if the means were available we would choose not to use them. Many of you have met and know me in person, and I hope you can trust me to tell the truth about these things. We are not the "government," and we have no need or desire to hack into your personal conversations with others.

Finally, I want you to know that you are appreciated, and your observations are taken to heart. Without your contributions to the forums they would not be what they are. Thank you for being here.
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Unread 06-23-2013, 01:30 PM   #75
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The fact that Jim is no longer posting up here is unfortunate. It's unfortunate for this forum, not Jim.

I congratulate him on his indefinite absence from here ... You made it, Jim!!!
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