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Unread 04-18-2013, 12:32 PM   #31
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What so hard to understand about ..shall not be infringed.

The problem and your problem is the 2nd Amendment. You don't like that. Too bad.
Java, let me ask you a point blank question and I'm not looking for a long winded diatribe about the 2nd amendment...just a simple yes or no will suffice:

Do you think it is OK to sell a gun to a known violent criminal or to an individual diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia or some other form of severe mental illness?
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Big Government has put your state and some of your cities in bankruptcy or close to it. Big Government is not the answer.
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Unread 04-18-2013, 12:45 PM   #33
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That's like asking an alcoholic if it is ok to drive a car when he is drinking. How many people drive and kill people when they drink. It happens every day every minute. Do you blame the car, the alcohol or the driver. Duh.
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Unread 04-18-2013, 01:10 PM   #34
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This will be taken care of in 2105, after the 2014 midterms!
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Unread 04-18-2013, 02:18 PM   #35
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Do you think it is OK to sell a gun to a known violent criminal or to an individual diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia or some other form of severe mental illness?
Do you think it's alright for your doctor to reveal your private medical condition to the government? It's already illegal to sell to a known felon, so that's already a moot point. You don't create laws for people who are already breaking the existing ones.
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Unread 04-18-2013, 02:36 PM   #36
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(including 74% of NRA members)
Could you please provide source for this? As an NRA member, I've never been asked my opinion in any survey on expansion of background checks?

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I'm still not buying into the idea that a majority of voters favored the background check bill. Polls can be guided in any direction one chooses. I firmly believe that if our illustrious leaders saw that measure of support, the spineless bastards (of both major parties) would have passed the bill.

And such a bill does indeed become an infringement on the Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms if passed. Anything that slows, impedes or encumbers an act or process is an infringement thereupon.

Finally, possession of arms and the regulation thereof are state matters. Where in the Constitution is that power delegated to Congress? Please direct me to the appropriate article. Our Constitution has gotten pretty beat up over the past several decades. It's about time we right the wrong.
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Unread 04-18-2013, 03:22 PM   #38
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Despite overwhelming national public support for the expansion of background checks (including 74% of NRA members), the Senate voted down a bill that would have required a NICS check on all gun show sales.
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Could you please provide source for this? As an NRA member, I've never been asked my opinion in any survey on expansion of background checks?
You must know that polls are generally based on a representative sampling; they don't ask every member of the sample population. Anyway, here's the info you requested:


Republican pollster Frank Lutz: http://www.bradycampaign.org/studies/view/240/


And this from Fox News:
"After the shooting in Aurora, Colorado this summer, Republican pollster Frank Luntz conducted a nationwide survey of gun owners who are members of the NRA. Luntz found that 74 percent of NRA members and 87 percent of non-NRA gun owners support background checks on every gun sale."

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/...d-gun-control/
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Unread 04-18-2013, 06:31 PM   #39
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And this from Fox News:
"After the shooting in Aurora, Colorado this summer, Republican pollster Frank Luntz conducted a nationwide survey of gun owners who are members of the NRA. Luntz found that 74 percent of NRA members and 87 percent of non-NRA gun owners support background checks on every gun sale."
Well, I guess that settles it, especially since Fox is considered by some to be a biased, Republican based news hack. In other words, maybe Fox really isn't that biased, and maybe most responsible gun owners really can think rationally and sensibly!
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Unread 04-18-2013, 06:53 PM   #40
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hey they voted no. sounds good to me
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Sounds good to me too.
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Do you think it is OK to sell a gun to a known violent criminal or to an individual diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia or some other form of severe mental illness?
I don't think it's o.k. to sell heroin to an addict, but making it illegal hasn't stopped lots of people from doing it. It has, however, put lots of profit into the business for those willing to take the risk.

I don't think it's o.k. to sell alcohol to an alcoholic, but making it illegal hasn't stopped lots of people from doing it. It did, however, put lots of profit into the business for those willing to take the risk.

Nice try with the straw man, though.
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Unread 04-18-2013, 11:09 PM   #44
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Thanks, Steve....and nice try with the red herrings (google it).
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I was merely using examples of the futility of making something illegal. If enough people want something, someone is going to find out a way to supply it.

Principles aren't red herrings.
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