Ceramic Tile Advice Forums - John Bridge Ceramic Tile

Welcome to John Bridge / Tile Your World, the friendliest DIY Forum on the Internet


Advertiser Directory
JohnBridge.com Home
Buy John Bridge's Books

Go Back   Ceramic Tile Advice Forums - John Bridge Ceramic Tile > Tile & Stone Forums > Professionals' Hangout

Sponsors


Reply
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Unread 12-01-2014, 11:46 AM   #1
HS345
Tile Contractor
 
HS345's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Sherrodsville, Ohio
Posts: 6,599
Schluter and 317

Heard from a local supplier today that Schluter is no longer approving the use of Laticrete 317 with Kerdi and Ditra. Anyone else hear about this? John Bridge's little birdie know anything?
__________________
The name's Greg
HS345 is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Unread 12-01-2014, 11:54 AM   #2
cx
Moderator emeritus
 
cx's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Boerne, Texas
Posts: 93,583
Have you asked Schluter, Greg?
__________________
CX

Y'ALL NEW VISITORS READ THIS HERE!
cx is online now   Reply With Quote
Unread 12-01-2014, 11:58 AM   #3
Kman
Moderator
 
Kman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: NW Arkansas, Ozark Mountains
Posts: 11,954
I haven't heard anything on that at all.

I'll have to say, of the unmodified thinset mortars I've used, 317 was my least favorite, at least when it came to installing Kerdi. It seemed a bit too sandy for my taste.
__________________
Kevin

The top ten reasons to procrastinate:

1.
Kman is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 12-01-2014, 12:03 PM   #4
HS345
Tile Contractor
 
HS345's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Sherrodsville, Ohio
Posts: 6,599
I called their technical services dept, and the person I spoke to knew of no such prohibition.
__________________
The name's Greg
HS345 is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 12-01-2014, 01:08 PM   #5
cx
Moderator emeritus
 
cx's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Boerne, Texas
Posts: 93,583
Seems like the question is asked and answered, then, eh?
__________________
CX

Y'ALL NEW VISITORS READ THIS HERE!
cx is online now   Reply With Quote
Unread 12-01-2014, 02:43 PM   #6
Lazarus
Texas Tile Contractor
 
Lazarus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Beaumont, Texas
Posts: 8,440
317 is good thinset. I've used it on dozens of Kerdi installations and have absolutely NO problem with it as an unmodified thinset.
__________________
Laz
Lazarus is online now   Reply With Quote
Unread 12-01-2014, 03:25 PM   #7
CASAVANT TILE
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Saugerties, NY
Posts: 415
What did this supplier recommend you use instead? My guess is something that they have a bigger markup on.
__________________
Eric Tetreault
Casavant Tile
NTCA 5 Star Contractor
http://casavanttile.com
CASAVANT TILE is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 12-01-2014, 04:22 PM   #8
HS345
Tile Contractor
 
HS345's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Sherrodsville, Ohio
Posts: 6,599
Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric
What did this supplier recommend you use instead? My guess is something that they have a bigger markup on.
Yep, 272. Which is a higher quality unmod, and naturally, more expensive. Was told by the supplier that the Schluter rep recommends the 317 only for small format tile. Larger format should only use the 272. A call to the rep was not returned (though his greeting did say he would be in and out of service areas). Schluter technical informed me, a rep can make recommendations on a case by case basis. I am still curious to know what difference the tile size makes.
__________________
The name's Greg
HS345 is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 12-01-2014, 04:52 PM   #9
cx
Moderator emeritus
 
cx's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Boerne, Texas
Posts: 93,583
I've never used the 272, but have use the 317 and like it just fine. I'm wondering if Kevin's complaint is not just a regional manufacturering thing.

I recall being very surprised to learn that folks in Yankee Land think VersaBond is absolute trash and would never consider using it, while in my part of the country it's be the default thinset mortar for lots of tilers for lots of years. And the complaint was with the sand being too course and having big pieces and such, which I've never encountered in the same product down here.

And I got no idea why the Schluter rep would mention the tile size. Doesn't compute at all for me.
__________________
CX

Y'ALL NEW VISITORS READ THIS HERE!
cx is online now   Reply With Quote
Unread 12-01-2014, 06:39 PM   #10
Splinter
Kitchen & Bath Remodeler Long Island
 
Splinter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Long Island, NY
Posts: 2,145
Im in Yankee land and I like VersaBond... Decent stuff.

The sand is not nearly as coarse as the TEC stuff I picked up from Blowes a few weeks ago. Didnt even bother using what I mixed of the TEC... Jumped in the truck and ran out for a few bags of VersaBond instead.
__________________
Alex
Splinter is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 12-01-2014, 07:10 PM   #11
Tiger Mountain Tile Inc
Registered Muser
 
Tiger Mountain Tile Inc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Issaquah, Washington
Posts: 7,039
I'm pretty sure that Laticrete doesn't warranty either of those products for use with Schluter products so maybe it's best to find something different.
__________________
James Upton DIYTileGuy.com
Tiger Mountain Tile Inc is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 12-01-2014, 07:53 PM   #12
Schluterman
Western NY Tile Contractor
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 240
Not a fan of 317, and im a laticrete guy, Ditra set all the way for me. Although I have a few bags of Ardex x5 in the back of the van for my next small floor im going to try, thanks to the JB forum
__________________
John Mullett Tile Co.
Lockport NY
Schluterman is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 12-01-2014, 11:17 PM   #13
studderin
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Rochester, NY
Posts: 80
never had any problems with 317, hangs kerdi fine.
__________________
John
studderin is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 12-02-2014, 07:35 AM   #14
HS345
Tile Contractor
 
HS345's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Sherrodsville, Ohio
Posts: 6,599
Okay, the Schluter rep returned my call last night. And left me with more unanswered questions than I started with.

He claims it was the supplier who wanted to stock one thinset which would be suitable for both small and large format tile. He claimed 317 isn't really suitable for large format tile because it is not formulated for such. He claimed that thinsets such as 317 may not have the ability to support a large format tile. He even went so far as to say 317 (and some other thinsets) is labeled to state that when installing tile larger than a 12 x 12 you should contact Laticrete technical services for advice on how to proceed. I see no such labeling on 317.

I think perhaps this rep is a tad bit confused.
__________________
The name's Greg
HS345 is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 12-02-2014, 11:19 AM   #15
Houston Remodeler
Pondering retirement daily

STAR Senior Contributor

 
Houston Remodeler's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Houston Texas
Posts: 28,228
Yeah, I see smoke too. Danielle can straighten this out.
__________________
Paul1

For when DIY isn't such a good idea...
Houston TX area Kitchen & Bath Remodeling


http://CabotAndRowe.com
Houston Remodeler is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Stonetooling.com   Tile-Assn.com   National Gypsum Permabase


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Laticrete 317 KGK Tile Forum/Advice Board 12 02-16-2014 10:20 AM
aggravated with Laticrete 317 josephlewis Professionals' Hangout 18 09-12-2013 06:16 PM
272 vs 317 Crestone Tile Professionals' Hangout 41 10-11-2009 10:13 PM
Question on Laticrete 317 Rich1955 Tile Forum/Advice Board 4 03-18-2007 03:02 PM
laticrete 317 not setting up skyshark Tile Forum/Advice Board 10 12-10-2004 08:16 PM


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 01:32 PM.


Sponsors

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright 2018 John Bridge & Associates, LLC