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Unread 01-02-2009, 10:51 PM   #1
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another bath remodel

I'll be starting another bath remodel in a few days and I would like to know if I am careful when removing the current floor tiles and tub wall tiles can I reuse the surfaces which are underneath each of them? The floor is a mud floor with metal mesh imbeded in it and the walls are plaster or (stucco?) with the metal mesh. The house was built about 45 years ago and has plaster walls. The bath I just finished had the same floor and wall tiles over the same material and that material was in great shape when I removed it as was the wood subfloor and wall studs. There was not a single sign of moisture. I didn't think to ask about saving it in that bath remodel. I just thought it might be a way to save some time and effort if I didn't have to replace it.

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Unread 01-02-2009, 11:06 PM   #2
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Hi Mike, sure you can if you don't destroy them. You will need a waterproofing membrane on the tub walls though before you tile. You should prolly use something on the floor too, either Noble or Ditra and Kerdi or Noble onna walls.
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Mike,

Now might be the perfect opportunity to change out the plumbing valve in the wall since it would be very easy to get at. Likely, it's the original valve....if so, it's way past it's prime. You might wanna consider that when deciding to leave or tear out the tub walls.
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Sorry, I forgot to mention that I'm putting in a new tub, plumbing, niche in the wall, vanity, light in the ceiling above the tub, and new fan in the ceiling where the old fan was located. I'm also not sure yet if the old tile is also under the vanity. In the other bath that I just finished I did a mud floor in the room and mud shower pan and noble membrane in the pan and shower walls. I thought that I'd try kerdi this time. Should the kerdi only go on the tub walls and not the floor and what do I do where the tub meet the floor with what ever membrane I use? I probably have enough noble left over to do the floor.
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If you're doing all that work...tear out your walls. It isn't worth trying to save them with all the areas you’ll need to cut away to do the work. Maybe you could still save the floor if it doesn't mess up the tub and vanity removal/installation....? You know more details on that, so it's a little tougher guiding you on that.

Between the floor tile and tub, leave an 1/8" gap for some flexible sealant (like 100% silicone) to be used. That's key. As an extra step, you could silicone the floor membrane to tub intersection. But realize that applying a waterproofing to the bathroom floor doesn't do much for you as moisture doesn't penetrate below the grout in dry areas very easily. Even if there was a lot of splashing water on the floor, it would run under the base molding around the perimeter of the room or out the room itself long before it penetrated the grout and got to the waterproofing. To waterproof the room for real, you'd need a floor drain with a sloped floor around it, and waterproofing that extended from the floor up the wall a few inches. If you need some crack isolation, go ahead and use that NobleSeal TS on the floor, but you aren't going to truly "waterproof" it.
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What Bubba said.
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