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Unread 06-14-2009, 01:31 PM   #16
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It's even more simple than that. How many 8-track players do you see being sold in stereo stores these days? Some people liked them but that's not where the market has taken us, so there is no longer a market for them.
If you are in business, then the "green" technology is something that you will either have to come to terms with or be left on the side of the proverbial road. People look out their windows and see hillsides full of dying and diseased trees, and they want to change that with better air and drainage quality. People send their kids to the beach and end up treating them for exposure to raw sewage spills, and they want better water treatment facilities. People buy a brand new house and find that all of the metal finishes in their home have rotted out, and they demand better oversight and regulation of building materials. If you are so ideologically static that you can't adapt to these needs of your client, they will find someone else who can make them happy. And you should never ever loose sight of the fact that we are ALL in the business of making people *happy*. Just putting two boards together or sticking baked clay to a wall, is the easy part. Leaving with a check in your hand and a smile on their face is the ultimate goal.
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Unread 06-15-2009, 08:25 PM   #17
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Ahh Shaughnn, I think you are mixing good practices with political ideology my man. You are wanting some politicians who worship Al Gore (wish he were around 900 years ago when Greenland was known as Vinland for its vast vineyards) to make industry decisions for you.

Maybe I need to simplify what I said in my original thread.

I am for common sense building methods and materials.

I am against people like you and Mikhail Gorbachev (an ex-United Soviet Socialists' Republic leader in case you don't know) who are so rabid in trying to force politically motivated legislation down U.S. citizens throats in an effort to cripple us as a state. You sound just like Green Cross International (Gorbachev's baby - of which there are four offices in the United States)...


People, you need to look at the above website if you think I am blowing a bunch of hot air.

Shauggnn may be sincere in his beliefs, but he is being brainwashed by the greenies who are devilish and follow the the ideology of Saul Alinsky...


So, according to Shaughnn, I must get out of construction if I don't like what the industry is leading towards.

I am a U.S. citizen. No, I don't like the environmentalists for the most part because of the company they keep. I will follow the rules Shaughnn. And, I will fight you and the communists who trying to take over my country tooth and nail, both at the voting both, and as a juror.

Sorry for my diatribe people. That includes you Shaughnn. I got

Okay, I still haven't decided on renewing FHB subscription (which is a wonderful publication as Shaughnn has stated - sans the political crap), still subscribe to FWW (also from Taunton Press) and am going to subscribe to JLC.

That's all I have to say about that.

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Unread 06-16-2009, 08:49 AM   #18
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Unread 06-16-2009, 09:57 AM   #19
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I am gonna have to agree more with Hammermill, you really need to know all the facts to really know if something is really "green". The Prius seems to be the flagship for the "green" people. If you haven't recently looked into some of the facts maybe you should. Producing the nickel alone for the prius batteries is enough to scare me. http://clubs.ccsu.edu/recorder/edito...asp?NewsID=188 Just one article on the subject.

I think being more environmentally conscious is a good thing but just jumping on the wagon without looking at the facts is silly. There seem to be hundreds of definitions of green and some don't seem to green to me. The prius doesn't seem green to me, I drove a subaru justy when I was in high school. It was a model year 1995, I drove it like I stole it and pulled in 45mpg. What is the highway rating of the prius, we won't even get into the city rating or the drive it like you stole it rating?

I am fine learning about new technologies and new ideas. In fact, I really like that kind of stuff. However, political agendas mixed into it all are not needed or helpful. I haven't subscribed to FHB but it hasn't been because of the politics, just a really expensive magazine that I don't feel is worth the cost.

Joey, I didn't think you were slamming the green movement, I bet you like the environment and would like to help it out.

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