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Unread 07-27-2021, 05:00 PM   #1
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Wife is testing my abilities once again!

Years ago with everyone's help here I completed a stone mosaic shower that turned out fabulous, that one was done with a flat faced tumbled marble. This time she had me do a full polished river stone backsplash in our kitchen, the stone is very 3 dimensional and I'm now scratching my head trying to figure out how to grout this nightmare! I will be sealing it with Aqua mix sealers choice gold before grouting. She wants as much depth as possible in the grout joints, how should i go about grouting, a grout bag or trowel it on and wipe most of the grout back out of the joint lines? I will be grouting with Customs Fusion Pro single component grout in the color of Charcoal. Yes, I know, she's trying to set me up for disaster and I won't let her win! Lol
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Unread 07-27-2021, 05:46 PM   #2
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Hi, Jay.

That’s an interesting combo. Have you considered making a little mock-up so you can experiment with grouting before committing to the real wall?

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KG, That may not be a bad idea. Guess that's todays project.

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Unread 07-28-2021, 06:05 AM   #5
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Read the fusion pro technical data sheet to see if it’s suitable for those wide grout joints.

Even if it is I imagine the joints will be nowhere near set up enough before you have to start wiping to get the haze off the pebble faces.
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Hello Lou,

Fusion Pro spec sheet claims that up to 1/2" grout lines are acceptable with no shrinkage or cracking so I think I'll be ok with using it. I've looked at pictures of floated grout on these types of stone and don't like the finished look of the float packed grout and wiped . We are aiming for more protrusion of the stone, i think a grout bag will give me more control of the grout depth to acheive the look we're after. My research leads me to believe it will take
2 1/2 times the amount of grout used in a standard tile installation.
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Jay, while you're correct about the advertised grout joint width allowance for that Fusion Pro, I strongly suggest you make up a test board with Lou's comments in mind before you commit to the whole splash. I think you're gonna find his caution about the difficulty in the cleaning pretty accurate.

My opinion; worth price charged.
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Cx,

I am definitely going to do a test sheet before moving on to the walls. I am also aware that this will be a long slow process to do the grouting as my wife envisions the end product look. Myself being retired, I have nothing but time. When I read John's comment about giving up early in his career the use of black/charcoal grouts because of staining issues it has given me pause for concern but that wasn't enough to convince my wife to select a different grout color. My next posted picture may be of me laying in a hospital bed ! Lol
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I think you'll find that Fusion likes to dry on the face and still be too wet in the joints to wash. Please share how the test board goes.
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Davy, I'll share the test board results asap.

If you or anyone else has a grout product in mind that may be better suited to accomplish our finished look we're trying to achieve , I'm all ears.
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Got another wall of tile up today.

If anyone has a better grout option than the Fusion Pro, please enlighten me. The color we want to use is charcoal. There are some large gaps in the stone in spots, largest being maybe 1/2".

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Customs Prism is my go to grout these days. I find it very easy to work with and the color stays consistent. I could be wrong but I think grouting pebbles with Fusion could be a big mess.
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Davy, after reading your comments about FP and countless reports of fusion failures and the difficulties of installation, I returned it to Homers store and will use a different product, ill have a look at Prisim.

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For pebbles I usually use Mapei UltraColor FA. It’s rated for joints up to 3/4”. My normal grout is Permacolor but that’s only rated for up to 1/2”.
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@Lou ma

How much working time between grout and first wipe do you typically see when doing pebbles? Hows the pot life of UC/FA ?
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