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ob1kanobee 09-11-2009 08:49 PM

If this economy keeps going the way it is, the U.S. won't be in the competition.

Don't think for a minute this country is too big to fail.

sandbagger 09-11-2009 09:08 PM

we may not be "too big to fail," Ben, but if we do we'll take everyone else down with us. Don't misread me, however - I have real concerns about how much money is just rolling off the presses. Inflation is barking at the door, I'm afraid. But if that's what it takes to rid us of Obama - as it did with Carter - then so be it. No pain, no gain.

ddmoit 09-11-2009 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Art
Inflation is barking at the door, I'm afraid. But if that's what it takes to rid us of Obama - as it did with Carter - then so be it. No pain, no gain.

Inflation as a tool to rid us of Obama? That's an interesting perspective. Between inflation and Obama, I see inflation as the much greater of two evils. Inflation of the money supply is precisely how the government manages to get away with increasing its size and scope.

Except for the central bankers and their friends, monetary inflation always ends badly. We will not be the exception to this rule.

stullis 09-11-2009 09:37 PM

Health care is a huge burden on business.

sandbagger 09-12-2009 02:15 AM

TAXES are a huge burden on businesses.

ob1kanobee 09-12-2009 11:06 AM

Joe Friday Isn't Keen on Change Either
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4r6YCUtxfs

sandbagger 09-12-2009 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by sandbagger
I actually thought Stossel had left ABC. Not surprising ABC delayed the broadcast.

well, looks like I musta had a vision of something when I posted this several days ago.

ABC Reporter John Stossel Jumps to Fox

stullis 09-12-2009 02:40 PM

Stossel will fit in well at Fox, that is his style of "reporting". ;)

Yep, business has alot of things that are put on them and burden them, #1 right now is the cost of healthcare. Something that should have never been put on them in the first place.

You still haven't answered why the executives should get high cost Gold Level insurance tax free while others get basic coverage and other independents don't get all their healthcare tax free. Just another way that the "system" favors the wealthy. :stick:

ALL benefits should be taxed, it will never happen because the "wealthy" need their welfare system. :D

MudMaker 09-12-2009 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott
Yep, business has alot of things that are put on them and burden them, #1 right now is the cost of healthcare. Something that should have never been put on them in the first place.

Dang.. Scott.. we have agreement here.. finally... It is the responsibility of the individual!!!!!! You go guy!!! Scott Rocks!!! You da man Scott!!! We should all be responsible for our own bills... :D

and Art.. I think taxes are hurting our businesses more than Health Care costs.. Big cost there!!! Good post :tup2:

ob1kanobee 09-12-2009 04:21 PM

The way I understand the tax law is that health insurance for most businesses is tax deductible and is an incentive for employees to work for a particular company.

Personal insurance premiums may or may not be tax deductible. Whether you'll be able to get a tax credit for that deduction is subject to other issues, such as total family income, phase out of personal deductions, etc.

sandbagger 09-12-2009 08:12 PM

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The way I understand the tax law is that health insurance for most businesses is tax deductible and is an incentive for employees to work for a particular company.
Thank you, FDR.

Skilled labor became a scarce commodity during WWII so FDR did what any good socialist would do - meddled in the free market. FDR froze wages to prevent companies from competing for workers by offering higher wages, a perfect example of how socialism always hurts the guy it portends to help - the workers.

As always happens, business found a way around the government - fringe benefits. While benefits were around to a limited extent before WWII, this is where they hit the bigtime.

and now - as usual - we live with the unintended consequences of government interference.

ddmoit 09-20-2009 08:52 PM

That health care is a "right" is debatable. On the other hand, the right to bear arms is specifically mentioned in our Constitution.

And yet, there are less fortunate souls in this country that have no guns. Some folks come from several generations of unarmed ancestry.

I think it would be less controversial, then, to call for universal gun ownership. No one should have to die or lose there stuff in so rich a country because they didn't have a gun! We've had government cheese, why not government ammunition?

stullis 09-20-2009 09:21 PM

I don't think the government is afraid of cheese in the hands of the people Dan. Different story with ammo. :D

johntrent 09-20-2009 09:26 PM

:)

sandbagger 09-20-2009 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by ddmoit
That health care is a "right" is debatable.

Dan, you goin' soft on us, buddy? That you would even entertain the thought of such a "debate" is, well, surprising to say the least. ;)
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I think it would be less controversial, then, to call for universal gun ownership.
Works for Switzerland, why not us? :tup2:


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