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butrflygirl
08-27-2005, 06:25 PM
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Hi I would like to know if I can paint over cutback adhesive...I removed some old asphault tiles and now I have this black stain on the floor it wont scrape off and I don't want to use chemicals as i have 2 small children. I would like to paint and stencil a pattern on it if at all possible...what kind of paint should I use and do I need to use some sort of primer like kilz first????
I would love any advice you guys could give me.
Thanks
Butrflygirl

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chukar8
08-27-2005, 10:29 PM
no paint wont adhere to cutback----go to youre local floor supply and order ardex sd-f, and mix with water and flat trowell over the cut back and let it dry. Then youre good to go

cx
08-27-2005, 10:41 PM
Welcome, Girl. :)

I think we aughta know at least what kinda subfloor we're dealing with here.

And what you plan for the final finished floor. The paint?

And I've got no eye-dee what is that stuff Bryan's recommending. That suitable for a finished floor surface, Bryan?

But I certainly agree that you can't successfully paint over cutback adhesive.

My opinion; worth price charged.

butrflygirl
08-28-2005, 08:10 AM
WELL THANKS FOR THE INFO GUYS I GUESS THAT SHOWS JUST HOW LITTLE I KNOW LOL!! THE SUBFLOOR IS CONCRETE SLAB AND THE CUTBACK HAS BEEN DOWN THERE SINCE THE HOUSE WAS BUILT IT HAS NO STICKINESS TO IT AT ALL.... I PLANNED ON PAINTING IT WITH WHATEVER TYPE OF PAINT MY LOCAL HOME DEPOT "EXPERT" SUGGESTED BUT I THINK I MIGHT BE BETTER OFF LISTENING TO YOU GUYS I DO HAVE MY COLOR ALL PICKED OUT BUT I GUESS THAT DOESNT REALLY MATTER AT THIS POINT DOES IT LOL.
ISN'T THERE ANY EASY WAY TO DO THIS???? ANYONE IN THE ORLANDO AREA WANNA HELP LOL :bang:
THANKS
LISA A.K.A. "BUTRFLYGIRL"

chukar8
08-28-2005, 08:26 AM
ardex sd-f (feather finish) is a p.c. based floor patch, you can encapsulate old asbestos cutback adhesive with it, without the dangers of removing asbestos products. I wouldn't use it as a finished floor no, but it would and does serve as a new starting point for other materials to be used, the problem here is the asbestos factor which is in cutback adhesive. If you were planning to tile the floor there are some thinset mortars which you can go over cutback with also....(#61p.m. flextile). :)

I would like to paint and stencil a pattern on it if at all possible...
cx i think that is what she was wanting for a finished floor????

Davy
08-28-2005, 08:51 AM
Hi Lisa, how old is the house? You said the floor is the same age. I'm not sure when asbestos was outlawed, seems like around 78, someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Flexbond thinset from HD would probably stick to it, I would test a piece first, let it set a couple days and chisel it up to check how good it bonded. :)

cx
08-28-2005, 10:41 AM
I would like to paint and stencil a pattern on it if at all possible...
cx i think that is what she was wanting for a finished floor???? Me too. That's why I axed about the Ardex. Seems it would essentially be her finished floor - with a little paint on top. I don't think that's a very good idea, but I'm not real familiar with the Ardex specs.

Lisa:

You don't need to shout. Ease up on the caps lock key there. Even the old guys will be able to hear you just fine in lower case and it's a whole lot easier to read. :)

Davy
08-28-2005, 10:50 AM
Your memory is leaving you, cx. You are one of the old guys. :D I'm just a pup. :)

butrflygirl
08-28-2005, 10:51 AM
OK IT WAS BUILT IN 1958 SO THIS STUFF HAS BEEN DOWN FOR ALMOST 50 YEARS I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WHEN I PAINT IT'S NOT GONNA JUST PEEL UP... :bang:
LISA/BUTRFLYGIRL
****sorry about the caps I'll try to speak softly from now on****

Davy
08-28-2005, 10:58 AM
My age is showing, just realized you don't want to tile this floor but to paint it. I'll take my foot out of my mouth, CX. :)

I think tile would be better. You can paint with glaze, fire them and make your own tiles. :)

chukar8
08-28-2005, 12:17 PM
If youre paint you choose will bond to concrete, then it will bond to ardex sd-f, and sd-f will bond to youre old cutback adhesive( which if it really is cutback it has asbestos in it so removal would be dumb especially mechanically, and chemically removing it could leave behind bond breakers that would destroy youre paint). Its about 15$ for a 10# bag but is not difficult to spread over youre old adhesive residue, and in my opinion would be the cheapest, fastest fix- and still have quality.


With that said; GET TO WORK, WERE NOT PAYING YOU TO STAND AROUND! :whip: LOL :)

moneypit_owner
09-12-2005, 11:15 AM
I use Kilz Odorless Oil-based primer and primed over the cutback to seal in suspected pet urine odors in the concrete in my basement. Scraping up the cutback seemed way to labor-intense after attempting it with both a razor scraper and a floor scraper (It took me an hour to do less than a 1'x1' area :crazy: ). I am planning to install carpet over this.

I have been reading that I shouldn't have painted over cutback. :bang: Will the paint cure or is cracking and adhesion the only issue? Do I need to get this back up before installing the carpet?

Could I just put a plastic vapor barrier on top and nail the tack strips for the carpeting through the sheeting into the concrete before laying carpet pad?