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Old 11-05-2011, 03:59 PM   #1
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Hi folks. Many years ago you helped me with my first tile project, which turned out really nice. Now I'm back in a new house, with new issues. Hopefully you can help me out of another jamb..

The issue is plain as day in the attached picture. The shower base is not done, but the backer boards are up and seemed already. Hell, some of the tile is already done. But I've been staying away from that floor area, just until I figure out how to handle the shower pan.

That's where some helpful advise would be nice. Besides being extremely nervous about doing this shower pan myself (first time), I'm not sure what I can get away with at this time. Do I really need to cut away the backerboard to put in a rubber membrane? or since it's 2011, can a liquid rubber membrane work with the existing conditions?

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Old 11-05-2011, 04:59 PM   #2
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Wow,thought i was seeing things.
Redgard says it can be used a membrane,but i only use it in recessed showers that way.I would cut the board out and use a pan.
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Old 11-05-2011, 09:32 PM   #3
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You can do a surface applied liquid membrane as in Brian's divot method, but that is more of an advanced method and not what I would recommend for the DIYer. A surface liquid with a kerdi drain would be better.

This does not get you around your first problem; no waterproofing behind the tiles that are already set, especially in that corner.
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Old 11-06-2011, 07:29 AM   #4
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Thanks so much for pointing out that Divot's link. Gonna read and re-read that all morning. It's actually what the tile store sold me. Tec Hydraflex. I'm going to assume that using something like this means I can keep the walls "as-is", build a pre-slope and then membrane it all? Of course, the existing tile side wall would be un treated. But it's a 7' long double shower, where that side will get minimal use.

Please provide some feedback on my comment above. I love to hear from those guys who use the liquid membrane on a regular basis and would recommend it for my situation.

Thanks a bunch. And now some pics of yesterdays wall that got done.
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Old 11-06-2011, 10:05 AM   #5
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Hate to burst your bubble but you really do needto back up a bit and focus your attention on the waterproofing of the shower walls. Including the side wall that's already tiled. I see water fixtures within 1 1/2 - 2 ft of that side wall-it WILL get wet. Your work looks great so far but won't look so great later on if you don't address this issue.
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Old 11-06-2011, 12:33 PM   #6
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Yep, your work looks good but you got the cart in front of the horse. I assume there is no felt paper or poly behind the cement board. The tub deck section that will stick out into the shower under the glass will rot out in no time if you don't water proof it. I wouldn't set any more tile.

I would pull the tiles off in the shower area except for the two top rows.
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Old 11-06-2011, 01:04 PM   #7
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I gotta agree with the last two posts. You're still at a point where you can make this right. You'll be kickin yourself down the road if you don't, I would think.
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Old 11-06-2011, 02:14 PM   #8
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What the pro's above said.

Follow all Tec's install instructions and get yourself a wet film gauge at a good paint store - not typically available at a box store.

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Old 12-18-2011, 07:17 PM   #9
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Hi again. Well it's been a little while since y'all snapped me in to place a little, and I basically have been focusing my attention on the floor and the sinks.

So here are some semi up to date pics. Luckily the floor is done and ready to be grouted.
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Old 12-18-2011, 07:21 PM   #10
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I also had an 'oops' while cutting the tile for the toilet. Forgot about the grain direction.

Well that hole was a pain in the ass. So for the back corner little alcove that it is in, slap it down and I moved on.
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Old 12-18-2011, 08:18 PM   #11
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Well, that's about the best place to turn a tile and get away with it. And i like the look of that floor tile too.
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Old 12-19-2011, 08:25 AM   #12
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So now I focus my attention on the pink elephant in the room - the shower. To be honest, my anxiety level is pretty high on this one. Never did a shower pan and sills from scratch before. The shower is 7' long and 4' wide.

So I read up on the material deck-mud and the process Frankengueuze shower "system" and still have a couple of questions.
  1. I got 'casino mix' from my tile supplier, which was meant for the shower base. But there is nothing on the bag AT ALL, to tell me the ingredients or the mix ratio. Anybody know if this is good stuff and in the ratio you like for a shower base?
  2. I figure I want extra material for this base, just so I don't run out in the middle of the process. I got Sand Topping Mix and some play sand from the big box store. Is it okay to have both 'Casino Mix' and Sand Topping mix used for the same base?
  3. The Deck Mud instructions on this forum state something about getting some 'play sand' to add it to the Topping mix. But it doesn't say how much to use. The Topping mix was a 60lb bag and the 'play sand' was a 50lb bag. How much sand specifically do I add to one bag of Topping Mix?
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1. Got no idea what might be in that bag.

2. See #1.

3. If you'll go to the Shower Construction thread in our whirl-famous Liberry you'll find (by scrolling waaay down) a post with that information, which even has photos of the bags of material.

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Old 12-23-2011, 02:17 PM   #14
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Thanks CX for the info. I totally missed those additional posts in the 'shower construction' thread. It clearly describes the mix ratio.

I did find out that the 'Casino mix' is about 3:1. So I'm gonna have to go out and get some more Sand. Right at holiday shopping time too.


Even though it's past Thanksgiving, I want to thank all the people that contribute to these forums. Talking about a subject you love isn't hard. But taking time out of your day, every day, to help everyone along with their project is something that deserves acknowledgement.
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Tomorrow is the day to try making some Deck Mud for the shower base. The calculator and various articles have been helpful.

Now about the install - I've got a 7' x 4' shower to do. Can it be done is two stages? Will that ruin the monolithic aspect of the base? or is there some way to handle this (if it comes up).

Who knows what could happen: run out of time, run out of materials, wife tells me the baby is coming, etc...

Do you have to make it all up front? (speed is not my specialty).
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