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Old 08-13-2011, 12:44 AM   #1
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Porcelanosa's Butech Colorstuk Epoxy Grout?

Hi --

I bought ceramic tile from Porcelanosa.

The manufacturer says that the tile MUST be installed with Epoxy Grout.

Most of the face is unglazed, so the grout must also COVER the Face of each tile.

Anyway, Porcelanosa says I should use a name brand of epoxy grout called Epotech Aqua.

Apparently, this stuff is part of the Butech Colorstuk line -- and it's made by Porcelanosa.

If I accept that ONLY epoxy grout can be used, do you think I can use ANY epoxy brand?

I mean, do you think they're pushing the use of this Epotech because it's their in-house brand, or do you think there's something special about it?

Anybody have any experience with Butech products or this Epotech epoxy grout?

I see virtually NO reference to these products on the Internet. It can't be very popular or widely-used.

I've read mostly positive reviews about a few other good brands -- like SpectraLock Pro or Mapei.

I'd much rather go with a more widely-used brand... or do you think I should stick with the in-house brand?

My understanding is that Epoxy grout is so quick-setting and so difficult to remove that it leaves little room for error.

My fear is that the in-house brand might be lousy... At least the SpectraLock and Mapei are tried and true.

Pls advise!

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Old 08-13-2011, 01:02 AM   #2
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Dear Jack --

Thanks for your reply.

I'm attaching jpegs of 2 of the 3 tiles.

They are all to be treated as "mosaics" apparently.

The white portion of the black polka dots is unglazed. The grout is supposed to cover it entirely.... Right now the polka dots are raised, but with the grout, it's supposed to be a smooth flat surface.

Ditto the charcoal parts of the red tile. The red is glazed and raised...

I've asked sales people at 4 different Porcelanosa showrooms on the proper installation method, and they insist that their "mosaics" must be done with Epoxy grout.

Is that just BS?

If I need to have someone come in to do the Epoxy grout, is it better for that same person to do the float and install the tiles? My rough is done. I'm in LA, so I had to get permits. It's passed 2 City Inspections...

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Old 08-13-2011, 08:21 AM   #3
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These tile are an 8x12 which I found on there web site, why they would say you have to grout with epoxy grout I am not sure, sounds like a sales pitch to me. I would definitely dig a little deeper into there reasoning for epoxy.
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Old 08-13-2011, 08:54 AM   #4
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Marianne,

Nope, I've never heard of it either. And if you can't find it on the web, or from a major reputable supplier, then I'd be worried too.

Have you called the tile manufacturer? Is there any warranty you'd have to worry about with the tile if you don't use their grout?
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Old 08-13-2011, 09:08 AM   #5
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Butech is one of Porcelanosa's companies.
grout & thinsets developed by Porcelanosa for Porcelanosa tile installations

http://www.porcelanosa-usa.com/home/products.aspx


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Old 08-13-2011, 09:18 AM   #6
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Marianne, please don't start any more threads about this grouting project. Keep all the questions here and we'll eliminate a good deal of confusion. There is a separate thread in the Hangout for solicitation of a pro do come do the work for you.

I can see why they'd specify epoxy grout as it appears it's going to go on in very thin sections. And I'd be inclined to use nothing other than the manufacturer's recommend grout products. Hopefully they've actually tested this process and found it to work with those particular grouts.

Not something I'd be wantin' to try without at least having made up a couple samples with the chosen grout applied.
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Old 08-13-2011, 11:07 AM   #7
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ooops, sorry CX.

guess I was trying to get as many replies as possible from widest audience...

So, you think the nature of the tile warrants epoxy???
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My thought about why they want epoxy - those large areas where the grout will be exposed.

I agree wholeheartedly with CX - have your installer do a few mock ups before the actual installation so you both can review the process, the results, and how long it takes.

I would do this for myself as an installer just to see what I'd be signing up for.
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Old 08-13-2011, 12:19 PM   #9
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All of us had to learn how to install epoxy grout at some point in our tile careers. If you are confident in the quality of your tile contractor's work have him install the grout. He can learn.

I would say go with Laticrete Spectralock though. (If Porcelanosa allows) It really isn't that hard, if you follow the instructions and realize that the installation technique is different that standard cement grout.

Or if you want to attempt to grout it yourself I'm sure we can help you. Many homeowners have installed it successfully.
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Old 08-13-2011, 12:33 PM   #10
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Hi Isaac --

To tell you the truth, I suspect my tile installer DOES know how to use Epoxy Grout. He's been doing tile for 17 years...

I think he just doesn't want to deal with it because it's so labor intensive, and in my case, the FACE of the tile needs to be filled in with grout, too, to make it flush with the pattern...

Anyway, he's absolutely refuses to do it.

As for ME doing it -- HA! I barely know how to OPEN a bag of grout...

Thanks so much!

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Old 08-13-2011, 12:41 PM   #11
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BTW guys --


Can I use the Epoxy Grout for the SHOWER FLOORS??!!

Manufacturer does NOT require it for those tiles...

But if I am using Epoxy on the 3 walls, should I also do on the pan?

I'm attaching photos of the two tiles for shower floors..

In one bathroom, the floor are the round flat discs made of STONE on mesh. there's actually quite a bit of space between the discs....

In the other bathroom, just regular square 2x2 tiles, so just the joint lines...

Is there a DOWN side to using Epoxy on STONE material or on the shower floor?

Good grief.

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Old 08-13-2011, 12:52 PM   #12
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No problem to use the epoxy on the floor as well.
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Old 08-13-2011, 01:40 PM   #13
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Thank you! Doing on floors, too, would make things less complicated...

LAST QUESTION, dear Forum readers:

I want to use a Grout Color in the wine // cranberry // plum family for the Floor Tile shown above. I'd use it also for the Tile in the 1st post, with the tiny little flecks of glazed pieces...

I checked out the standard colors on Laticrete and a few other brands. Nothing comes close.

Did I read somewhere that Laticrete can make a custom color? Is that ridiculously expensive on top of the ridiculously expensive epoxy grout?

Or can I just add the color separately to one of their base colors -- and if so, to which one?

Why is this so complicated?

BTW, if I go Laticrete, use the SpectraLock Pro? What's their Pro PREMIUM? Difference??

Thanks again!
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Old 08-13-2011, 02:13 PM   #14
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There doesn't appear to be much depth in the joints on the red tile. Are you saying epoxy is supposed to fill in the black joint? I can see why your installer refuses to do it. I got your message Marriane. After seeing the tile and what needs to be done, I wouldn't want to do it either, honestly. Nor do I want to step on anyone's toes.
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if using a true epoxy you will need an anti-slumping agent to keep it from sliding down the wall. make sure its ok for vertical surfaces.
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