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Old 05-11-2010, 02:34 PM   #1
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Stacked Stone Veneer on drywall?

Hi! This is my first post, I'm REALLY happy to have found this board! We are installing 40 square feet of natural slate ledgerstone on our kitchen wall. Each panel is about 6" by 27". The maximum height will be 5 feet tall. The installer at the tile store said we can apply this directly to the painted drywall since it's only 40 square feet as long as we sand the glossy surfaces and use the multiset 917. He said this stuff sticks so well that if we ever try to remove the stone we will have to remove th drywall also. We installed the first row last night and it does seem really stuck. I was just checking the web and it says NOT to apply to the stone to drywall, but to use the wire mesh. Do you think it's ok for a small area or do we need to use the wire mesh? Thanks!

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Old 05-11-2010, 03:16 PM   #2
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Well,we usually advise to follow manuf. instructions, but i too have stuck much stone veneer on drywall without nary a problem.
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Old 05-11-2010, 03:21 PM   #3
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I agree with Dave, but I usually do it over cementboard.
can you still nail up wire mesh ?

being that small of an area and in your home you might be ok.
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Old 05-11-2010, 03:25 PM   #4
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I actually called the manufacturer of Sparkstone and they told me that due to "liability issues" they couldn't give me any installation advice. They told me to go to Home Depot and buy a book, which I tried to do but didn't see one on stacked stone. Thanks for replying.
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Thanks Brian. We only have the first row down so I guess we could still nail up the wire mesh. I'm confused on that too though, some of the online info says to apply a "scratch coat" to the wire mesh and let it dry for 24 hours, but other advice says to only apply mortar to a small workable area so that it stays fresh so the the mortar on the back of the rock will bond with it. I'm so confused!
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I would put up felt or plastic, then your wire lath making sure you nail into the studs.
then do the scratch coat and let dry. then stack your stone.

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I have 50 lbs. of the polymar-modified Multiset 517. Is that what I would use to do both the scratch coat and also to butter the backs of the stone, or do I need a different type of mortar for this? And also does the scratch coat need to dry for 24 hours? Thanks again!
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yes let the scratch coat dry. you could use the Multiset for both.

when stacking the stone you will like having some of the moisture pulled out of the mortar to help hold it.

are you keeping a joint between your stones and pointing them or are you dry stacking them ?
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We are dry stacking them. These are the kind that are glued together with no real space in between them. I tried to post a picture but for some reason it's not showing up. Thanks!
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Lori, use the "Manage Attachments" feature (below the message box) to upload your pictures from your computer into our database.
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If using brick mortar than definately use the wire. You will probably be ok though over sheetrock If you use modified thinset and burn it into the drywall.
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Old 05-12-2010, 10:59 AM   #12
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Thank you Bob, I tried that too but it's still not working. I just get an "invalid file" error code when I try to upload from my computer, and a "Remote file is too large" error when I try to upload from a URL.

Jason, thanks for the info. It looks like we are going to have to attach them directly to the drywall. We had already placed the first row (before I posted my question on this board) and we were going to take them off to start over with the wire mesh, but they are REALLY stuck. I guess that's a good thing. Do you think the multiset 917 is the best choice for this, or is there something that will create an even stronger long term bond?
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The reason for the felt, chicken wire and scratch coat are for surfaces that aren't already waterproof (plywood, felt, wire, scratch coat are generally used for exterior purposes). If it's an area that will get wet, then yeah use the right materials for the job....but for a decorative backsplash I wouldn't worry too much. I am installing drystack around a bar in my basement. I will just use a cement backer board instead of the ply/felt/wire/sratchcoat combo.

As far as your thinset choice, if you cant pry it off now then i would think it will work for the rest too!
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the felt, chicken wire and scratch coat are for surfaces that aren't already waterproof (plywood, felt, wire, scratch coat are generally used for exterior purposes).
when you think about it this isnt really waterproofed at all.
your wire and nails are still subjected to water and rust.
that's why I like the Laticrete MVIS system the best !
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Lori - Doesn't look like you have logged on in a while but I was wonder how the project went. I would love to hear an update/pictures.
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