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Old 01-20-2010, 03:57 PM   #1
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Installing Penny Round Tiles

I have installed tile before, but never round tile. The Penny Round comes in 12 x 12 sheets.

1. I noticed that two sides of the sheets are straight across, while the other two sides are notched, so that the sheets will interlock. How do I accomodate for the straight sides, do I remove every other tile on the sides where I need it to interlock?

2. This is a bathtub surround, what would you recommend for the backerboard?

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I am using a Schluter product called Kerdi, which is a felt like water resistant material, over whatever I chose for the backer board.

3. Finally, if you are familiar with the Kerdi product, in thier video it seems that they use the Kerdi material to also bound the seems in the backboard, instead of mesh tape. Is this sufficient?

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Old 01-20-2010, 04:57 PM   #2
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1 Take a picture of your tile so we can see what your referring too.

2 Schulter actually recommends regular sheet rock behind Kerdi . But any tile backerboard will work.

3 No mesh tape needed Kerdi takes the place of it.
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Old 01-20-2010, 05:01 PM   #3
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Greg,

When you take picture of that tile can you put something next to it of known size like oh ... a penny ? Thickness of each tile will have bearing on how you proceed.
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Pretty sure the penny round tile sheets Greg is talking about look like this...

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The tiles are roughly the diameter of a real penny, hence the name.
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You should find that the straight edges only need to be offset and they will match up just fine. Here is an example of three sheets of penny rounds laid out.
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Off set is very important on tiny sheet mosaics so you don't wind up being able to see each sheet.
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^ beat me to it, I just tried to make a picture using MS paint but the gray background screwed it up. no photoshop here...

You actually don't have to offset the sheets, the tiles are already offset every other row, you can just stack them, but make sure you keep the top left of the sheet the same every time. (only 2 corners of the sheet will work for that)
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That picture describes how you wanna set them, my post is just confusing...
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Normally the sheets are all stacked the same way in the box. If you keep the boxes all oriented the same, they will come out all the same.
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Installing Penny Round Tiles

Thanks everyone, this is very helpful and makes complete sense, the picture is worth a thousand words.
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Tile thickness is .25". Like I said the picture is great.

Since I am doing three walls in the tub surround, starting in the center of the wall, should I start with the notched side heading into the corner and the straight side on the bottom, on top of the tub edge, just like the picture suggests? Finishing the corners by placing cut individual round tiles in the gaps where the notch ends up in the corner?
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I would measure the wall width and mark that on a table or countertop. Place sheets of tile next to each other as they are to be installed, proper spacing and all. Then look to see if shifting the sheets right or left makes a difference to where the edge should be. The picture below shows how to cut sheets of tiny mosaics on a wet saw and get nice finished edges.

More importantly to consider when dealing with very thin small tiles: The walls need to be very flat. Any hill or bump will show dramatically as the sheet will ride over those ups and downs too well. Very large tiles simply span those hills and valleys, and have thinner and thicker spots of thinset behind them. But if you use the normal method of troweling on thinset to the wall then sticking up the sheets, the hills and valleys will show. Follow so far? did I manage to obfuscate this enough?

You then would want to float your walls with thinset before tiling. Perhaps a few layers, like floating drywall to get it nice and smooth. You can sand it down with a rubbing stone if you have a high spot.
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Paul,

Thanks that sounds like a plan. I will post back when it is done. Appreciate all of the advice.
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So just to be clear. I can install the kerdi membrane with thinset and let that completely dry? Then go back, if need be skim the walls over the kerdi and let that dry and finally go back again and set the tile, over the dry sanded thinset? Sorry to pester you with questions, but I would rather get my answer before I begin, lol.
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If the walls are in good shape and do not have to be skimmed, do I have to wait for the thinset used to apply the kerdi membrane to completely setup or can I just continue with the tiling after I install the kerdi?
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