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Old 01-14-2010, 10:30 PM   #1
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Adhering tile to metal fireplace front

Any suggestions on how to do this? I did a surround and mantel today and the people are having me run the tile right to the inside edge of the fire insert. No big deal on the sides and top since there is plenty of drywall for the thinset to grab but along the bottom there is a 4 inch piece of metal that they marble on.

I told them no way but I thought I'd ask.....epoxy? silicone and a bandaid?
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Old 01-14-2010, 10:35 PM   #2
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epoxy jason!!
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Old 01-14-2010, 10:36 PM   #3
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what kind? and do I have to rough up the metal--its painted black
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I would think the metal would expand when it gets hot and cools off.
might be a problem with the thin metal there.
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I'm not saying it will work, but there is some high temp adhesive they use for flu pipes. That might be an option.
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Old 01-14-2010, 10:43 PM   #6
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henry just offered me some laticrete 300 epoxy which sounds good, but I'm a bit worried about what brian said... its pretty thin metal.

guess it would have to be a no warrenty type thing.
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Old 01-15-2010, 06:12 AM   #8
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Tavy Thinskin

We have successfully used Tavy Thinskin on questionable surfaces with great results. You can adhere the thinskin ( follow the instructions) to clean metallic surfaces. We have had zero problems to date. Hope this helps.
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I used to work for a builder who had three or four floor plans, they all had the gas log fireplace, and he always wanted the tile to go to the edge.

The guy I was working for at the time would have us rough up the metal with a rubbing stone or brick or whatever was layin' around, tape the metal to the drywall with mesh tape, and just stick the tile with whatever thinset we were using, we would then run a bead of black silicone between the tile and the metal. It was usually 12" marble tile, but sometimes it was ceramic. I wish I had some pics.

Never had a call back that I'm aware of.

If I were to do one with my name on it, I would try to discourage the practice, or use the Laticrete epoxy.
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Old 01-15-2010, 09:24 AM   #10
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Do you have the thickness to spare to screw a 1/4" piece of backer to that metal?
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Would it be safe to drill holes into the metal for epoxy to penetrate for a better bond?
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Old 01-15-2010, 07:16 PM   #12
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I've always screwed some metal lath to the metal fireplace surround and set the tile with thinset. Just get some short self-drilling sheet metal screws. I carry the metal lathe from the edge of the fireplace surround (usually sheetrock) across to the metal on the fireplace and hold back about 1/2" from where my tile is stopping.
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lath!

couldn't you set it with 310 epoxy and spot set?
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Old 01-15-2010, 10:23 PM   #14
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What I am actually talking about is the lower ledge in this picture.....

I know it isn't the best picture but you get the idea.

henry is sending me some laticrete 300 so I'm planning on roughing up the surface and sticking it. The customers understand that it is totally on them if there is a problem. I might get it signed off on though anyway.
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GE II window and door silicon,up to 400 degrees.
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