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Old 07-23-2009, 01:07 PM   #1
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wooden gate

My husband built 2 Arts and Crafts redwood gates. I designed insets in each for A&C tiles. What product should I use? Is thinset going to work?
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Old 07-23-2009, 01:19 PM   #2
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You'll need a suitable tile substrate mechanically attached to the wooden gate before setting the tiles. 1/4" exterior rated backerboard (Not Hardibacker, for example) attached with corrosion resistant screws will work. After that, use a heavily modified thinset will work to set the tiles.

Even with this, I would be concerned that flexing and banging of the gates will cause the tile to pop off.

Can you post a picture of the gates?
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Old 07-23-2009, 01:25 PM   #3
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I would build a redwood frame in the style of the gates.

Insert the tiles in the frame, screw it on the gate and plug the holes.

Bevel the top of the frame to shed water.
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Old 07-23-2009, 01:28 PM   #4
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I agree, depending on the size of the tiles. Weepholes in the bottom of the frame would be a good idea, too.
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Old 07-23-2009, 08:30 PM   #5
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wooden gate

My husband will post the pix. There will be one tile only on the small gate. That tile is 4"x8". The larger gate will have an 8"x8" tile in the center and 4 tiles, which will measure 8"x8" with grout, on either side. What would be the thinnest substrate we could use? I asked about this at the local tile store before we did the project. They indicated tile could be set right on the wood. We then designed the gates with enough of an inset to accomodate the tile and thinset, so we don't have much room. These are arts and crafts tiles, and are, therefore, pretty thick. Forgot to say, these gates are made of old growth, salvaged redwood so it is very dry. Thank you.
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Old 07-23-2009, 09:07 PM   #6
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what type of tile is this ?

wood will expand and contract in the sun faster then tile.
direct bonding it might be a bad idea as it might pop off down the line.

also if this is a glazed ceramic in a freeze area it might absorb water and
then freeze and crack the glaze to pieces. we called them "freeze pops".
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Old 07-24-2009, 11:48 PM   #7
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Pictures of redwood gates

Attached are pictures if the redwood gates
The tiles are about 3/4 inch thick (same as the inset in the gate)
They are Arts and Craft reproductions of Batchelder and Ephraim tiles
We live in a temperate climate so freezing is not a problem.
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Old 07-25-2009, 04:55 AM   #8
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I'd install a sheet membrane, thinner than 1/4" cbu and won't add much.

Problem is, the membrane should be placed over a solid piece of plywood, looks like some type of planks or strips of wood as the backing on those photos, yes, no?
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If the tiles are the same thickness as the inset, use screws to hold the tiles. Find some with a decorative head, and insert them in the grout line above at top and bottom so the heads hold the edge of the tiles and the frame (set them about 1 inch from the corners). Any solution that bonds the tile to the wood won't hold up due to the wood's expansion rate. Silicone or construction adhesive may work, but I'd worry about the bond releasing and those one-of-a-kind tiles falling out. You'd still have the expansion thing to worry about. If you ran a bead down the vertical middle of the tile, the movement there would be minimal. Perhaps a combination of screws and construction adhesive would be best.
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Hardie is pretty stiff and those areas are small, maybe remove that wood backing and install 1/2" Hardie, give it a coat of Redgard before installing it, then tile as normal.
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adhesive between wood and tile

Your right Ritchie. the slats are 1/8" strips of redwood loosely set iin a groove in the frame to allow expansion without buckling. What type of membrane do your suggest.
Maybe I can attach the sheet membrane to the redwood slats with 3M 5200 Marine Adhesive Sealant which is flexible and bonds to wood. I'm not sure it will bond to the membrane. When I find out what the membrane is made of I'll check with 3M.
Bob's ides of decorative screws would add some insurance but the screws would be biting into only 1/8" of redwood. The other side of the redwood slats is finihsed so the screws can't poke thru.

Have you evevr usedd construction adhesive to bond tile directly to wood with out an interveniing membrane?

Thanks for your suggestions,
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I would just use the 3M 5200 Marine Adhesive to set them.
it will hold for what you have there.
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