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Old 08-27-2008, 09:15 PM   #1
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Input on the Tuscan Leveling System!

Hey guys! I've been gone a while and now am needing some input on this leveling system.
Let me start by saying that I don't plan to use it. I have my own techniques as we all do and as I have mentioned in this forum. What I have is a customer who is condimplating using this method.
I believe that this system can present issues down the road such as hollow corners and a variety of bond problems. It has been to our table for debate in the past and we vetoed the idea. We felt that when pulling the straps tight, you are just pulling your corners up out of the thinset or at the minimum decreasing the amount of thinset by means of pulling on the applied tiles.
I need all the feedback I can get! Once again, this is not an avenue I plan to take, but one in which I am trying to prevent somebody else from taking!
Are our customers better off in the end with a fully bonded and leveled tile compared to what these straps do?
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Old 08-27-2008, 09:26 PM   #2
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You might start by typing Tuscan into the Advanced Search feature, Randy. There's been a lot of discussion of the product.
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Old 08-27-2008, 09:30 PM   #3
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Yo Richie!
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Old 08-27-2008, 09:49 PM   #4
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Don't knock it till ya try it. The system has been improved since I tried it. I like it.
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Old 08-27-2008, 09:57 PM   #5
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It still needs a competent installer. You aren't pulling the edges up a 1/4", it should just be a little bit to make it level. If you have full coverage pulling it up 1/32 or less won't matter.

I am looking into getting it for myself.
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Old 08-27-2008, 09:58 PM   #6
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From what i remember most of the feedback was very positive and the installers really liked what they had.
Theres lots of treads here on it and i know Mick gives out his phone # if anyone has questions.
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Old 08-27-2008, 10:36 PM   #7
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32th! You should be able to work that out within a notch trowel! I read the post and literature and just feel it's more aimed (or should be) at the DIY market. That's my take on it. Some tilesetters swear by spacers and I think they can get you in trouble. From a physics standpoint, I know they can!

Should I state this differently? Is this the most professional way to level your marble (or large format cc joint tile) floor??
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Old 08-28-2008, 05:15 AM   #8
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Randy , I've used the system going on 2 years now and never had any problems with bonding or hollow spots in the floor. I'v noticed that it draws the tiles into the thinset when you tighten the straps. What the system does, it takes care of the fine adjustment to get a floor liggage free and holds it there. I think you should let your customer buy it and you go over there and get yourself a hands on demostration. This way you can give the system a thumbs up or down. After there done with it they could always resale it.
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Nice post Bruce.
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Old 08-28-2008, 07:49 AM   #10
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Randy, it takes less mechanical force to push a tile down then pull it up ,the TLS
does not live hollow spot under the tile,if you have any other question please do not hesitate to contact me at 319 670 0003.

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Old 08-28-2008, 07:54 AM   #11
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I know I come off as the "my way or no way ass" but it's not the case.
Most the time I use this forum constructively. My bold strategic words bring back what I'm looking for, informative knowledge as well as definition as to who is who. I've come to know ten names in here in which I trust. They may think I'm an ass by my posts. If they knew me they would feel differently.
Bitterpat, I've always got a kick out of you as well as Scott!
I could end up like this...
With the cost of these straps, can you afford to drop your installation rates?? This is what I'm seeing lately.
We are all different charactors trying to make a living in this same business. I have alot of respect for alot of the members in here and "my way" is simply nothin more. It works for me and I don't expect it to work for everybody. My friends remind me of this sometimes.
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Old 08-28-2008, 08:04 AM   #12
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Randy,a lot of stone contractor pass the cost of the TLS to the customer,but even if you purchase it your self the quality and the speed that you achieve
i think it is worth the cost,not to mention the level of strees,fatigue etc,I'm not
say this because I'm the inventor of it,but because the TLS work and works well.Feel free to call me ,I'm sure that I can answer you any question or doubts
you may have.

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Old 08-28-2008, 10:23 AM   #13
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I have the system and I can say I am impressed with it.
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Old 08-28-2008, 11:18 AM   #14
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Randy, I think if you ever tried the system out you would like it. As for cost ,I include the cost of the straps in my price. As for the gun and caps I consider that an investment, just like buying any tool that makes my job easier. Plus at the end of the year you can write it off on your taxes.
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Old 08-28-2008, 12:19 PM   #15
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Not to high jack this thread just dont what to start a new one for 2 ?

1. do the straps give a 1/16 grout joint
2. on soft marble the one where you just look at it and it brakes do these straps brake the tile
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