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Old 12-21-2007, 10:06 AM   #1
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Bullnose layout in Shower Entry

I am nearing completion of my new Kerdi shower and have a couple of questions. Being a rookie at tile layout, I'm not sure of the proper way to do this. I have yet to find anything that directly addresses my question.

The shower is essentially a 5' deep X 4' wide "closet" with standard doorway framing. It is tiled, walls and ceiling, with 12" tiles (the same as the floor in the rest of the room) and 2" tiles on the floor and bench seat. Wall grout lines are 3/16 and the floor is 1/8.

The grout lines inside the shower are offset from the exterior floor by 2". The doorway is 1" off center from the interior in the opposite direction.

We intend to use cut double bullnose (11 3/4' X 3 1/2") on the doorway facings and picture frame the outside of the entry with bullnose. The inside and outside faces of the curb will be the same tile used on the walls.

My question is do the grout lines in the bullnose need to match up to the interior walls and carry that through to the picture frame or should I just balance the tiles on the facing and pictureframe and let them fall where they may? Because the bullnose is almost 1/8" shorter than the tile, the grout lines will have to be wider to keep them matched.

One additional item. Can I use dry set mortar to attach the bullnose for the pictureframe to painted drywall? I also have a tub of Omnigrip if that would be more suitable as well as some modified thinset.

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Old 12-21-2007, 04:45 PM   #2
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Hi Wiley, a pic would be good for this question but I think I know what you're asking. No real rule here for lining up grout lines, but I usually try to either line up your bullnose with the wall tile (as you noted those bullnose joints will be wider, but I've gotten away with that before and it looked fine) or stagger the bullnose halfway. And I'd use the modified for adhering them to the drywall.
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Old 12-22-2007, 10:19 PM   #3
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Thanks for the response! It looks like things will work best by "splitting" the grout lines.

One more question comes to mind. How do you handle the inside corners with bullnose in the doorway? Do you bevel the ends at a 45 deg angle to make the corner so you have a consistent grout line or do you just leave a grout line inbetween and round the grout to match the contour of the bullnose?

Having never done this before, its a little difficult for me to visualize it.

Thanks again!

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Old 12-22-2007, 11:07 PM   #4
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About that bullnose on the inside corner. It depends on how picky you are. If you want it "perfect" in your eyes, miter the bullnoses where they come together. But it's not much of a focal point and many won't bother mitering them together.
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Old 12-23-2007, 07:21 AM   #5
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I always stagger my bullnose.
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Old 12-23-2007, 12:49 PM   #6
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I stagger them as well. Mainly because I miter the outside corners and I like to start with full tile when possible. Unless your bullnose pieces are custom, you can't miter and line 'em up with the grout lines

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Old 12-24-2007, 11:18 AM   #7
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Thanks for all the responses! Looks like I will stagger the lines in relation to the inside wall. This will work out best for the layout also.

I feel like Columbo but i do have "just one more thing".

The complication is that we decided after the initial tile order to frame both sides and the top of the outside shower entry with bullnose. The manufacturer changed the tile design so we had to order enough to do the "frame" out of the new stock. The colors still match fine so thats ok.

The complicating difference is that the original bullnose is 11 3/4" long and the new style that will be used for the "frame" is 11 7/8". If need be, I can cut them all to match.

Which would you do?

Cut them all to the same lengths and match grout lines (and size) between the door faces and the outside "frame".

Match the grout lines in position but have the faces 1/4" and the outside 1/8".

Offset the outside lines from the door faces. 1/8" lines on the frame and 1/4" on the faces.

Something else.

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Old 12-24-2007, 11:28 AM   #8
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Doesn't seem to be enough of a difference to matter but if you're talking about an even number of pieces in each size, you can alternate them. No matter what you do, I doubt anyone will notice as long as the dye lots match.
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Old 01-10-2008, 04:02 PM   #9
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Thanks for all the help! I probably broke a rule or two somewhere but, to us anyway, it looks like it turned out OK. Note the "decorative" corner pieces I made those to "extend" the first vertical tile so I could get the grout lines where I wanted them.
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Old 01-10-2008, 04:10 PM   #10
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Its nothing fancy but here are some more pics...
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Old 01-10-2008, 04:28 PM   #11
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I would be happy to have that as a bathroom, thats a good looking job.
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Old 01-10-2008, 04:54 PM   #12
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Thanks, Brian. Almost forgot to include the adjoining tub area.
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Very sharp looking installation! Congratulations!
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