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Old 01-28-2006, 08:05 AM   #1
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Expansion for ceramic.

Where and how can I find proper specs on this.

I have a ISM that needs it in writing.
They missed the mapei class.
I have looked all over my TCA handbook and cannot find what I need.
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are you asking for expansion joint requirements ?? see EJ- 171 in the TCA handbook IT's UP TO THE SPECIFER TO DETAIL LOCATION
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Where and how can I find proper specs on this.

I have a ISM that needs it in writing.
They missed the mapei class.
I have looked all over my TCA handbook and cannot find what I need.

Don't quote me on this,as this is going back years ago....but I believe expansion joints are 16' outside,20' inside.
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Old 01-28-2006, 04:44 PM   #4
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On the walls,what are the specs.
Mapei says never grout to the wall.
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same as floors! 24' tp 36' in each direction (interior)8' to 12' (exterior)
plus notes in the book for perimeter,colums,pipes, ect.
Whats ISM?
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Old 01-28-2006, 10:35 PM   #6
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Eric forgot they changed the standards in the 2005 edition of the Handbook. EJ171-05 now says, in part:
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Guidelines:
• interior—20' to 25' in each direction.
• exterior—8' to 12' in each direction.
• interior tilework exposed to direct
sunlight or moisture—8' to 12' in
each direction.
• where tilework abuts restraining
surfaces such as perimeter walls,
dissimilar floors, curbs, columns,
pipes, ceilings, and where changes
occur in backing materials. Not at
drain strainers.
• all expansion, control, construction,
cold, and seismic joints in the
structure should continue through the
tilework, including such joints at
vertical surfaces.
• joints through tilework directly over
structural joints must never be
narrower than the structural joint.
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Old 01-29-2006, 06:40 AM   #7
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What page is that on?
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Old 01-29-2006, 08:42 AM   #9
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Excellent
I am reading it now........

Page 69
Bottom left diagram.

Residential install?

Perimeter joint:

Does this alway apply?
Mapei said never grout to the wall,I never have because I always install new shoe mold or base.

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YES! it applies unless it sayes it dosen't.

Thanks CX!!
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Old 01-29-2006, 11:51 AM   #11
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Thanks guys.

Had a ISM from Lowes look at me crazy when I told him ceramic required expansion.
Ism is a :Installed Sales Manager, they handle all phases of the products Lowes installs,they are the guys that get out the door with the product.
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Can't believe ol' CX got one up on Eric the Book.
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yea yea yea..but if he would have been asking about what it was back in 04 ,I would have been right! Its just the wrong question was asked, the answer was right!!!
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