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Old 04-29-2005, 07:57 AM   #1
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jesse's saltillo ?s

I am planning to install 800 sq ft of Saltillo. The floor system has joists 16" oc, 5-ply 1/2 inch plywood, 30lb tar paper on that, 3/4 inch particle board. I plan to screw down 1/4 inch Hardi back. Should I put something for a moisture barrier between the particle board and Hardi back? Should something be put over the seams of the Hardi back? So much water in the process of installing Saltillo has me worried? Is it just a generally bad idea to install Saltillo on a wood floor system?
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Old 04-29-2005, 09:54 AM   #2
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Jesse, particle board is a real No-No under tile. It is just too unstable if it ever gets wet. If you want any kind of tile on your floor, the particle board must be removed.

Assuming you replace the particle board with 3/4" BC or CC plugged and sanded plywood, and assuming your joists are sufficiently stiff (we need to know the size spacing and maximum unsupported span), then you can use 1/4" backerboard. Each manufacturer has his own instructions, but generally, you embed the boards in a layer of un-modified thinset, screw the board down with backerboard screws (avoiding the joists), then you tape and mud the joints with fiberglass tape (not the drywall stuff) and thinset.


You are already aware of some of the problems with setting and sealing Satillo. You might find it easier to install a ceramic or porcelain tile with a Satillo look than real Satillo. Real Satillo is sun-dried clay, so it is real soft and fragile. Floor structures for Satillo must be very stiff, so we use the same standards as for a stone floor, which is twice as stiff as for ceramic tile. Satillo is hand made, so the thickness and overall dimensions will vary, making your layout somewhat harder.
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Old 04-29-2005, 03:52 PM   #3
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Thanks for the advice. I may just go with hardwood. I am in Knoxville, where are you?
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Old 04-29-2005, 04:10 PM   #4
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Jesse --

Are you sure your floor is particle board and not OSB (oriented strand board). OSB has 1 - 2" chunks of wood whereas particle board is much closer to sawdust.
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Howdy, neighbor! I'm about 40 miles west of you in Kingston.
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Old 04-30-2005, 07:20 AM   #6
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No question about this being particle board. Also, the longest span is about 18 feet.
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What kind of joist do you have? 18 feet is pretty long for regular sawn lumber. What we are interested in is the lumber that supports the floor, not the room size. You'll have to look under the floor to find out.
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Old 05-05-2005, 11:43 AM   #8
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I have had the floor opened up, checked by a structural engineer, discovered that a plumber in 1968 cut away 3/4 of a main beam, fixed that, and ordered hardwood flooring. The lower level of the house is on a slab and I will use the Saltillo down there. I will revisit the forum when I return to tile work. This has been very helpful. Thank you.
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